Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman dead for 'trespassing'

Florida has a mandatory minimum. 20 to life. Whites are more likely to be convicted then blacks. My wager stands.

 

You really think that low of black people? My observation is that a black person with relevant job skills for the job at hand has a better than average chance of getting a job.

 

Mandatory for what charge though? For negligent homicide? Or for pre-meditated murder? As we saw in the Zimmerman trial, stupid prosecutors that can't do their job right start lowering the charges over the course of the trial as they crash and burn. By the time this case is over it could be like the GZ trial where they go from murder to j-walking and flushing a tampon down the toilet. Unless lobster boi was slipping the zipper trout to this homeowners wife, this will be some sort of accidental death charge.

 

Cry me a river. Blacks sold each other into slavery. Jews were slaves for a lot longer than Negroes and you don't see us demanding affirmative action. And in my field of consulting, it's 10x easier to be a minority owned company and find work than to be a white person. Blacks aren't on welfare because they are being denied jobs - it's because they are too lazy to even look for a job. They would rather steal cars, sell drugs, or watch Oprah and walk to the mailbox once a month for free money. Everywhere you go companies are hiring. Maybe not for uneducated high school dropouts, but I don't know anyone with a four year degree in a viable major that can't find work. So again - if you are black, then learn to stay in school. And truly I am just giving good advice. If you don't want to be educated because you think blacks that get a solid education are humiliated for their skin color; then you must not know the color of our POTUS. He got an education and went somewhere. Whine about oppression all you want - if I had my way nobody would be given entitlement unless they looked & interviewed for a job every day and went back to at least a trade school for a 2 year degree in plumbing, HVAC, electrician work, LPN/RN, EMT, or something else viable. I'm tired of handing over my taxes to lazy thugs and welfare ticks. If blacks don't want to conform and just prefer to talk ebonics and commit crime, then they need to be prepared to meet Trayvon in hell. Because armed citizens are sick and tired of crime and are fighting back. And blacks didn't build America, whites built America. Almost every invention, almost every patent, almost every large corporation, almost every mid size company, almost every scientific or technological discovery, and of course every Founding Father was white. And you talk about Detroit? I picked up my Viper GTS and my Z06 from the factory and met the engineers (it's an option at the time of sale) - they were white. So please don't make it sound like Detroit was the genius idea of some post slavery blacks. Ford was white, Firestone was white, Oldsmobile was white, Edison was white, etc. Detroit was built by whites. And I do not have a racist buckweat or al jolsen black face avatar. You must be talking about someone else.

 

Murder. 2 or 1 in this state last I checked. Truth be told though it has been awhile.

He will be convicted if this is an accurate story. I have lived in Florida long enough to know we run fair trials and the facts as presented here show guilt. We will see what the trial produces. I have been in the defense side myself and I happen to know they do get it right. All you need to know is that this is where free people come to live a good life. Only way he gets less then 20 is if he is a nutter.

 

the OP said they were frozen.

 

NOW, I have an opinion. This guy is NOT representative of the rest of lawful owners. He appeared to be distraught, but hardly challenged. There was no attempt on his person, so, yes, he needs to be brought before a court and tried, and will probably get convicted. His defense team will probably go for the insanity plea...and fail.
And once again, justice will be served
How many lobster tails survived, BTW? Are they gonna get victim rights?

 

facts not in evidence..............and your team already lost this case..............loooooooooooooooooong time ago.

 

it's called HIPPA and the Right to Confidentiality between doctor and patient..............that's a very slippery slope

 

Extended background checks might help. You know like the ones the Congress just voted against.

 

It all depends on the demeanor of the salesman. Anyone can say they are a salesman, when in fact, that could just be a ploy to get close to a victim, to then do a home invasion, a burglary, or even a murder. You really have to be careful when strangers approach you whereever it may be. I don't walk up to anyone's car or home, who I don't know. Seems like Roop could have gotten the guy to leave though, just by him seeing the gun, and without having to be shot by it, wouldn't you think ?

 

so, we pas a law that maybe works, like the ones we already have. Two things work against it
1) You have to rewrite the medical protection issue to discard HIPPA and a law that eliminates patient doctor confidentiality.......
2) it would require the creation of a data base that the Fed can access, resulting in registration.
There is no way that you can catch the ones that either a) fall through the cracks or 2) predict a particular behavior.
With the way the medical state is functioning today, so many people are left without a safety net for treatment of mental disorders. Here in Indiana, we dismantled the state care system for housing such people and as a result, many ended up on the streets. Kind of like what happened in California. If they haven't fallen between the cracks before, it's going to be tougher to get aid to them now. Then there's the other issue of Patient/Doctor Confidentiality and HIPPA.
An extensive background check still violates the law because you would have to fill it with names, turning it into a registration base.
To pass a law to catch one is insane. Like one person stated, we need everyone to register if it means catching just one. So in effect, 99% of gunowners would be responsible for the actions of 1%.
These kinds of laws discriminates against a special group of people, the lawful owners.

 

If there is not some rules placed around giving mental defectives access to firearms, the carnage in Sandy Hook will become one of many such incidents. It is already becoming unsafe to be in public places. Crazies shoot up malls, schools, public highways, etc. nowadays. In order to own a weapon you should be able to pass a criminal check and a mental background check. If no medical personnel have an obligation to let Uncle Sam know someone shouldn't have a firearm; then we will continue to be unsafe. Americans have a right to be safe in their homes, schools, and workplaces. Giving guns to ***** is not an acceptable policy in any civilized country.

 

No major information needs to be given out. The MD or DO just needs to notify the FBI that a specific person / SSN has a specific DSM-IV classification that precludes that person from gun ownership. The information can be considered classified and only used for firearms background checks. A schizophrenic should not be sold a firearm. Neither should a sociopath, someone with autism or downs syndrome, mental retardation, etc.

 

thus creating a registration base. Eventually it will be expanded as it always does to include past and present gunowners.
Your idea opens the door for a lot of abuse by the Police State. It would be insincere of you to claim there is no police state. http://www.politicalforum.com/human-rights/299537-police-state-usa.html and that there is no abuse and outright denial of Rights to Due Process

 

then arm yourself and don't rely upon LEO to come save you when you are in a tight fix

 

If the mentally ill are not being reported and put on a list, no background check will work. The "extended background" check bill, like most ill-founded, knee-jerk legislation, did nothing to address the reason for the bill in the first place...and all it did was to put more burden on the law-abiding and open the door for government abuse.

 

But it DOES WORK for those who ARE REPORTED. So it does a lot of good from that. Get it ?

 

that's a negative. If the ones reported are under control, how do report one the one who is cool today and rocket launches in 6 months without warning?
For every one that is under treatment, there is one that is not. what ever number you choose to work with, there are so many more that aren't receiving treatment and go undocumented. Then you still have to overcome doctor/patient confidentiality and HIPPA.
Are you back to that if we can save one life, it was worth sacrificing everything else campaign?

 

1. No, I'm not back to that, and since I didn't say I was, or even indicate anytihng the slightest bit in that direction, you shouldn't be mouthing off about such a thing.

2. As for the EBCs, my point is not to moan about the mentally deranged who are not reported. That's YOUR point, My point is to value the denial of gun-buying rights to those who we DO KNOW should not be in possession of a gun.

3. You got anything to back up that "many more" part of your post ? You got a source ? Got a link ? Got anything ?

 

Good one!
Based on that "logic" then Congress was right to kill the bill.

Be sure to tell all those families that lost loved ones at the hand of those sicko's just how lucky they are!

Always had it.

 

You don't make any sense. NO, it would NOT be right to kill the bill. Based on the logic of what I said, lives would be saved by passing the bill, and denying a gun to crazies, who otherwise would have bought a gun, and then used it to kill someone.

They are unlucky because legislation like this had NOT been passed, which might have saved those lost loved ones. You are confirming everything I've said.

VERY APPARENTLY NOT.

 

so you are in favor of mandating everyone get a mental health evaluation.
It is impossible to document EVERYONE that has some government defined mental issue, a definition that can be changed to benefit the government: (government has always expanded every program they've had their dirty fingers in.)
Bud, those people who are already identified are not done through some government mandate, but accomplished through doctors and the families that have overcome HIPPA.
But noooooooooooooo, it WOULD require a data base. As names are added to the list, you'd end up with sick minds determining other's Rights. For example, if one or two of your neighbors claim you're nuts, needed watching, and you owned firearms (registered by you) and there really wasn't such an issue, you could find yourself on the other side of a door being blasted in by FBI and local law enforcement under the premise that you are holding guns illegally.
It could cost you a lot of money and time proving to some fat-cat chair polishing bureaucrat that you are indeed NOT crazy or depressed, and relying upon government honesty and integrity, that you'd get your Rights back. All of that without ever going to jail. Since it would be a civil issue, YOU'D have to prove you weren't crazy. It's not criminal, because you have committed no crime, yet, according to your neighbors.
Most people under a doctors care don't' or can't own already, but there are those who still fall between the cracks. Or better yet, you are ok today and own. Then you have some really depressing news and go off the deep end, and you take your guns down the the local 7-11 and cap a few because you are angry, today.
It is impossible to predict mental decay. You are creating laws that predate crime, punishing "offenders" before something happens. Naw, nothing could go wrong with that.
More laws will not prevent that.
Your Rights are not entitlements. They are not benefits granted at the behest of government, but you're of the mind they should be. Once that happens, they are no longer Rights, but privileges. And if they can control the requirements to own , that reduces it to only a few, determined by the government, as to who can own.
Slick, they've been looking for a way to do away with mine and your Rights since the ink started drying on the Constitution.

only a crazy person would say that the system for determining who is and who isn't crazy is perfect, and that everyone who has a sick mind is accounted for............maybe you shouldn't own guns because that is a pure crazy statement
but since you want me to prove a negative, here's a POS item:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/19/1-in-5-americans-suffer-from-mental-illness/

 

NO, I didn't say everyone should get a mental health evaluation. I think you might be thinking too much here. It's really quite simple. Those people who have a certified mental illness that would classify them as dangerous if they possessed a gun, should not be able to buy one. That's it. Got it ?

 

that still leaves the ones who go undocumented.................most people who have broken minds, under a doctor's care don't or can't own. But that still won't stop them from stealing one or borrowing one from some unsuspecting person. Like I said, it is impossible to document every case out there and there is no way to predict who and when they'll break down
For example, I believe Feinstein is as crazy as a loon, but she still owns