Are you afraid of Allah

I certainly hope that my sarcasm detector is on the fritz and this is really sarcasm because otherwise, it would be very sexist.

 

okay. If complete idiots misinterpret words or misuse them for their own selfish agenda, that is messed up- but I won't spend my life stressing about them. I will spend my life with people who DO understand Qur'an for the truth that it is. And being around them is fulfilling and not at all like being around morons.

 

I have some very real issues with Muslim Men who use the Koran as an excuse for what violent acts they might perpetrate upon Women.

I have seen and experienced such violent acts upon women....UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL....and I can say with GREAT SATISFACTION and with a CLEAR CONSCIENCE that I did not just stand there and do nothing while a woman was being senselessly and violently beaten....except in one case where the Stoning to Death of a Woman who was Raped was beyond my ability to act....and GOD help me I still have nightmares about it.....and I have thought about it over and over again and due to where I was and what I was doing and who I was responsible for...I have CLEARED MYSELF in my own mind of placing any blame upon myself.

Still....that does little to help sooth the pain of that woman's children.

AboveAlpha

 

Well...I am happy for you that you are a person who can find peace in such simplicity.

Unfortunately I cannot find such peace in something I know to be written by Man.

Honestly....I wish I was capable of having the ability to not be able to see such realities...but I can...and do...so I must be one to know the realities of the Universe to the ability I am capable of.

I cannot just overlook facts and just forget ceetain laws of physics and nature.

AboveAlpha

 

Muslim majority countries may seem or actually be more male-dominated. Those are people. That is not Islam. Islam highly regards women. After God - the next person in elevation is your mother. The next person after that is your mother. And the next person after that is your mother. The next after that is your father. A woman already is elevated 3 x above a man if she is a mother. And even if she is not a mother, she is still elevated, given rights that only modern day has finally given women (in the western world even.) You are incorrect in the stereotype that women are downgraded comparatively to men in Islam. I am a stubborn woman who would never subscribe to a faith if I was second class. Trust me!

 

God created your physics and your nature!

 

Well...since I am an Agnostic and a person who uses the Scientific Method to determine reality...even though there is a very low probability that any actual GOD exists as is defined in ancient religious text....using the scientific method I must concede that although the probability is low...it is not zero...thus a POSSIBILITY exists no matter how small and this means I cannot state that a GOD does not exist....and if one did exist such a GOD would have used the processes of both Quantum Evolution and Biological Evolution to create the Universe and all life within.

AboveAlpha

 

A lot of the things that Islamic fundamentalists practice predates the establishment of Islam. In other words, their bad habits are more Middle East cultural based than religious although they are incorporated into the religion. There's an excellent story in the Bible that illustrates this.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Susanna+1&version=CEB

As you can see from reading the story there's no difference between the ancient Jews and the most avid Islamic fundamentalist. They are interchangeable when it comes to stoning women.

 

Such behavior is not just limited to them.

Even today I see how Christian Men view women as some Bad Influence as such Men hate any women who might have a mind of their own or perhaps is a feminist or believes in the right of a woman to choose.

AboveAlpha

 

The Bible does say that women are to be obedient to their husbands. Consequently people do become brain-washed and have no idea that they are or why they behave as they do. The main problem is that people refuse to accept others as equals. They want to dominate others.

 

No doubt about that.

I have often pondered what the mindset is of the Taliban as for the life of me I cannot see what a man would find so appealing as to want a wife that feared him.

AboveAlpha

 

I can't understand why women raise boys that grow up to oppress them.

 

That it is not possible to know God or other posters by what they post.

 

I didn't know God posts here or do you mean he's posting through you?

I think we gain insights on people by what they post, but if what they post is poorly worded, then it's possible for misunderstandings to occur.

I think it's impossible to completely understand God. Mankind is pretty limited while God is unlimited. How can a limited person understand an entity that is everywhere, knows everything and is everlasting?

 

Do you believe in God?

 

Yes. I've stated so on several previous occasions and argued with atheists about this issue.

Do you think belief in God should be defended against atheists? If so, why haven't you joined that debate? http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/316258-atheist-bible-does-one-exist.html

 

Hummm, OK.

 

I show you the courtesy of answering your question, but you do not return the courtesy. While there is no requirement that you do, obviously you and I have different ethical value systems.

 

I am taking the wait and see position.

 

Even though the OT was posted some time ago, its an interesting thread. Anyway, I won't comment on the Muslim God for personal reasons not related to my Christianity or my ministry etc. However, as a modern Christian apologist and reverend, I will comment the question about the God I worship which is the entity that I feel caused the big bang to bang* lol. I thought I knew the answer innately but gave it some deep thought and was surprised at how ‘complicated’ such a simple question turned out to be! The best ‘sound byte’** answer is that I do not fear God, I fear not being with God after death. Since I do not believe in the traditional concept of a burning hell for most human souls, I don’t fear that. I believe that most unbelievers and unrepentant sinners will simply die a death of the soul and self awareness will die with that soul.
There is more but I am attempting to make my answers and replies shorter… lol.


*http://www.leaderu.com/truth/3truth11.html

** www.reasonablefaith.org/william-lane-craig



*** By ‘sound byte’ as I said I am attempting to shorten my answers which is difficult for a preacher, even a non preaching preacher.

Thanks for asking our opinions that is the mark of a open mind and intelligence, and to be willing to listen first and talk after such considerations is a rare (and valuable IMO) attribute these days.

RevA

 

You didn't earlier but now that you've been called on it you are. Very convenient for you, sir.

 

Not hardly. When self identification is required the genuine article is in doubt.

 

This is perhaps the most NONSENSICAL poppycock I've ever seen in Political Forum. The oppression of women is one of the reasons why Islam is so hated throughout the world. What a long list could be made of all the terrible things Muslim men do to Muslim women. Remember the picture on the cover of TIME magazine of the Muslim girl with her nose cut off (the picture didn't show that her ears had been cut off too). Mutilation is a common trait among these uncivilized, barbaric savages.

Should we show pictures of the corpses of dead Muslim women, killed by Muslims because they were deemed to have been adulterous ? How about the ones who were raped and then stoned, because the assumption was they invited the rape to occur. Or the less power that Muslim have in a courtroom compared to Muslim men. Koran verse 2:282 states "It should also be known that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man."

Or the wife-beating that goes on routinely against Muslim women (advocated by Koran 4:34). One could go on and on endlessly about all the severe oppression Muslim women endure, and then to have someone say that Islam elevates women ? Sheeeeeesh!! Elevates them where ? On a hangman's scaffold ?

When girls come of age in Islamic society it is customary for them to undergo a clitorectomy. It is a brutally hideous practice that removes the clitoris in females and robs the female of the right to pleasure. Islamic apologists often will state that the practice is cultural and does not arise from the Sharia; however, when it comes to female genital mutilation Sharia law is very clear in “The Reliance of the Traveller,” e4.3:
"Circumcision is obligatory for both men and women by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)."

It is safe to state that within Islamic doctrine and culture a woman is the property of the man with no rights of her own. She must obey the man or risk punishment. The punishment can be verbal or it can be violent, both permissible within Islamic law. Many of the women are virtual prisoners within their homes and not allowed to see the light of day. While the practice of chattel would be a felony in the United States, such a practice is sanctioned and practiced today in many parts of Islamic societies throughout the globe. Due to the increase in Islamic immigration to our shores we are now witnessing an increase in arranged child marriages, honor killings, and the practice of chattel in cities with large Islamic populations.
Another similar case of domestic violence occurred when the victim's husband strangled his wife for having borne him a third child and not a son. (L.A. Times, 1/31/12, page 13) It boggles the mind that these practices are permitted to take hold here as our government officials look the other way.

The verses noted above and codified by Sharia makes it abundantly clear that women in Islamic society are enslaved by their masters, and abandoned by Islamic society. It is incredulous that in this present day and age, the enslavement of women is not only practiced, but sanctioned by Islamic clerics throughout the globe. It is incumbent upon us in the West, to not only shed light on these barbaric practices, but to shame those who condone it.

Other looney and oppressive attitudes toward women by Islam are >>

1. THERE ARE MORE WOMEN IN HELL AND LESS IN HEAVEN (Muslim: bk. 36, no. 6596-6601, Siddiqui, Bukhari: vol. 1, bk. 6, no. 301, Khan)

2. WOMEN ARE UNCLEAN (Forgiving. 4:43)

3. WOMEN HAVE A CROOKED NATURE (Bukhari: vol. 7, bk. 62, no. 113, Khan)

4. Etc.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.11369/pub_detail.asp

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/womenstatus.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...47419f6-54e5-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/01/AR2007020102307.html

 

This verses has explained many times in this forum , you can find if you research .

The source of hadihts has explained many times and has explained many times why it doesnt make sense in Islam .

 

Must've been under a rock your whole life to have never heard that before. Allah is God, fear of God is pretty universal and is perhaps the most prevalent component to the Abrahamic system if you think about it.