Liberal vs. Conservative -- Is life fair?

That would make me a conservative, although I think sometimes people have to be reminded that the "let live" part of your last sentence should apply to other people, too.

 

I'm a social conservative but liberal in some ways. I believe life should be fair for those who play by the rules and work hard.

The problem with liberals is they believe the lazy should be rewarded and others should sacrifice to make it fair for them even though they are blatantly exploiting others.

Other than that, immigrants that come here to exploit, Wall St. and banks, people that pop out kids like pez dispensers and think people should support their offspring, they can all die IMO.

 

The trouble in education isn't that the schools it's generally the parent. If mom and dad don't give a damn about education I'll just about guarantee you that the kids won't either, and there isn't a teacher on earth that can educate some one who won't put forth the effort to learn.

A four or five year old kid who has never seen a book, and never been read to starts out so far behind the kid who has that he is going to need at least year of intensive work just to catch up and even then the crab pot effect will very enarly cripple him.

 

Oh, absolutely. I include that sort of thing in the advantage of coming from a middle-class-and-higher background, where education -- and parental involvement -- tends to be highly valued, and where parents are more likely to have the *time* to care and get involved.

I guess my point was that I think society has a role to play in trying to even out that playing field, by providing extra educational resources to kids facing extra barriers. Technically that means any challenged kid, regardless of what district they're in; practically speaking, that means providing extra resources to poor schools, where such kids are concentrated.

That, to me, is true equality of opportunity. Too often it feels that conservatives think "equal opportunity" means "every town has the opportunity to build its own school system", ignoring the huge disparity of resources between wealthy and poor districts, and the huge disparity in the size of barriers facing different kids even within a district.

 

I never once blamed the victim. I actually called out specific reasons or did you not bother reading? A victim is ONLY someone who suffered an event completely out of his/her control. I stated that earlier. Many things that can jeopardize your career like doing badly in school, drugs, getting arrested, lousy credit, lousy attitude, anti-social, ect, do NOT make you a victim.

So please explain your definition of a victim or else you're just trolling.

 

This is what liberals simply will not address enough. They'll sooner blame the schools that THEY control. Then they'll throw more money at the problem, which never works. Very few kids are self motivated enough to learn when the parents don't care about their education, which is why there is a major issue with some minorities and their education.

 

Life itself isn't fair or unfair. Fair and unfair are human perceptions that exist completely separate from the natural world.

Things humans create CAN be fair and unfair. Human systems can be designed prejudicially, much like the marriage laws in this country. Pointing out the flaws in human systems that are not balanced is NOT saying that life itself is unfair.

 

not all are victims some just play the role

Kinda harsh but they could be motivated by food and shelter in exchange for work, charity should be repaid.

and where else would the system be better?

 

Been very rewarding for me, what's your problem?

 

Horrible comparison.

The conservative argument as I see it, is that if you need a box to see over a wall, figure out how big of a box you need and get it.

 

The idea is to have people start on equal footing. It's not something you can figure out and get on your own.

 

Indeed it should. But obviously within reason. I get the feeling you're hinting at something that's not something to be left alone.

 

Only in places where people have done what they can to make it so.

 

I think life is what you make of it, more or less. Some people are born with everything against them and end up on top of the world. Another is born with everything going for them and end up in a gutter. I'm not opposed to the idea that you can help a person to reach up ward, I think that's a role for charity though.

 

Ahhh! Sales. Yes, good BSers can make good money, because people LOVE to be BS'd (makes them feel more imporatant than they are). But wait! There's more! If you act now, we'll include a second one absolutely free!!! (just pay seperate shipping costs).

Selling somebody something is the essence of America, I'll concede. That's the reason we have 500 different shopping channels, 800 drug commercials every 10 minutes, insurance ads for health care, cars, flooding, etc. BSing. Yeah, that is an art and it can be very profitable. You're correct. Conversely, if you're not a good BSer, well, you're sheet out of luck. That explains why the millions aren't rolling in the door for me. I hate BSing people, and I hate BSers. Such is life.

In closing, you have to be able to BS to be successful. If you can't, then well, you'd better learn to. I got it. Seems kinda sad to have to be able to BS to thrive though. Oh well. Such is life, and nonbody said life is fair. We're a nation of BSers and BS recipients, and apparently, that's how we like it. We want to be lied to because we're egotistical? I guess so.

Thank you for reminding me of what society has become. Kudos to you for being able to BS your way into wealth. We should all learn from you.

 

That is pretty much spot on.
Not saying there aren't lazy people in the world.

 

The weiner inhailing, or the CEO hacking? Please specify.

 

Of course you did.

Of course I read your nonsense.

People can vote. Does that mean the things government does to them are partly in their control?

Of course not. The fundamental victimization happens at birth, and even before, as one's parents have also been victimized since birth.

A victim is someone who has been unjustly deprived of what they would otherwise have. The fundamental victimization that refutes all claims of fairness is the forcible removal of people's rights to liberty by privilege, especially landowner privilege, which forcibly removes the right to life.

 

All people are victims. Some are just also perpetrators.

You should be asking how, not where.

 

Life is fair ... Because it doesn't give a crap about anyone.
It was here before you were ... And will be here after you are gone.

You are the master of your fate ... Give up, or get to it ... Just please stop bit**ing about it.

Edit:
Ooops ... Conservative.

 

There is little or no evidence that money spent per student corresponds in any way to average educational success within a school district.

 

not all are victims

I should not be asking how because I like it here

 

But if life is unfair for everyone, then is it not then fair for everyone?

 

What utter claptrap.

 

A circumspect & incisive post, Unifier. Thank you. You always come through.