Minimum wage must be abolished!

What do you think minimum wage is? Regulation.

You don't get it. Without a minimum wage companies can pay people as low as they want. Now that some are desperate enough to work for peanuts (which you argue is a good thing), you lower the wages of people above minimum wage with it.

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Just say it. It was your accusation. Statistics show IQ has nothing to do with race at all.

 

So regulation is good?

What about race or gender mixing regulations on your basic human rights?

You dont get it, companies can offer a certain wage. You DONT have to accept it. You dont have to buy food you dont like, you dont have to date chicks you dont like, you can say NO to jobs you dont like.

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They show just the opposite.

 

Regulating acceptable bare minimum standards of wage and working conditions, yes.

That kind of regulation VIOLATES the civil rights of those people.

When wages push down due to lack of minimum wage, you will be priced out of what you want to accept. You are FORCED to accept a substandard wage. Minimum wage is the benchmark. If it lowers, it drags wages down with it.

Ugh, why are you wrong about EVERYTHING.

IQ is determined by genetics and brain composition. How you score on an IQ test at any given point in time has more to do with the culture your brought up in. Genetics scans reveal IQ is consistently inherited across all races. I know you want to live in your white supremast fairy land, but it doesn't exist in reality.

 

Already there, man. Now they want 3 people for a penny. Crapitalism. You smell it?

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"No job" is the same as "crap job". Both are counterproductive and without substance.

 

Not even remotely true.

Only people that believe they "deserve" something from someone else lap up that drivel.

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You are using the wrong metric.Take a look at the 16-20yo unemployment numbers, that should help you understand what a minimum wage does to the workforce. You might notice that there are many more 20-30-40+ year olds doing what a highschooler should be doing.

Minimum wage is not, and should not be, a career wage. In that, the OP is correct.

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If it's any consolation, most minimum wage jobs hire illegals anyway, so it's not like the laws really have much of an effect oftentimes.

Granted, hiring illegals isn't necessarily caused by minimum wage laws. It really has more to do with the fact that illegals will work for less than most legal labor will.

So, the market essentially has its own solutions for cheap labor, legally or not.

Minimum wage laws are often just a matter of posturing to pretend that you're doing something to help the poor. In the meantime, poorer labor continues to work jobs that offer benefits so pathetic that they usually require public benefits to stay afloat.

In a more reasonable society, public amenities are adequate enough to keep healthcare affordable.

 

I don't think you have thought it thru far enough. People can work for less now all they have to do is start a company and quote a job for less than you could hire someone by the hour. That is what mom and pop outfits do all over the world. Let's look at what happens when you remove min. wage. If you were offered a job for less than it costs to get there would you take it. No, of coarse not so now you have to motivate them to take jobs, remove all benifets, UI, foodstamps, welfare etc. How long would that go on until people put there family before the laws of the land. Who pays for more police, jails prisons courts, who pays to bury all the bodies of people who just starve to death.
It is true that raising the min. wage puts pressure on small businesses that are paying just above that wage now, so removing it will put the same pressure on those outfits to work for and pay less. Will your employees be happy, how long will it take for your empoyees go start there own business to compete with you.

 

replace the minimum wage with a minimum income.. that way you set a proper minimum standard of living without telling individuals how much they are allowed to work for

 

Supply and demand will not benefit most workers because they have no realistic way to effectively bargain for wages and conditions of employment. Through Collective bargaining they can. Otherwise the only people who can effectively bargain would be the 1%.

 

In today's market these low wage jobs are not entry level. They are all that are available to even experienced, educated workers. When I go to a Fast food place, it's people in their 40's that wait on me, these are people who held jobs that paid three and four times what they are making per hour now ten years ago, and they had full time work. Those jobs have disappeared forever. Getting rid of minimum wage is just stupid, the people that are holding these jobs are already being heavily subsidized by the Government, to the tune of nearly $300 billion per year, thru the SNAP program, Medicaid, low income housing and other welfare programs which they qualify for. These are people who ten years ago were taxpayers, and proud of it. They owned or were purchasing their homes, they bought new cars, not used, they shopped at Macy's, Penny's not Walmart and the thrift stores, they bought American made products, not cheap Chinese rip-offs (check out how the typical Chinese factory worker lives - this is what you are recommending for our country, this is the Conservative future for the American worker. I say, HELL NO!

 

When you sell an apple you raised at a cost of .10 cents, for .15 cents to make a profit of .05 cents, don't you feel you deserve something from someone else?

 

And why did those jobs vanish? Because you keep raising the min wages, taxes and benefits until businesses become unprofitable or move overseas. So you drive away those jobs them the answe is more of the same.

But what im really interested in is, who do you think you are to remove the right of a person to work? Thats what your doing to low skilled, low IQ people. Your driving away their suitable jobs and pricing them out of the market. Giving them no other avenue other than sponge of those with jobs. Theres so many examples of people becoming successful who once worked basically for the experience and training, We own our own labor and should be able to trade/ barter it as we like, but NO people like yourself have decided you know whats best for them. As i asked earlier, should we pass a law banning people from running if they cant run a half marathon?

I ask, who made you god to take away the basic human right to use your labor to support yourself?

 

1. There is no such thing as low IQ race.
2. Without minimum wage people would not be paid pennies.
3. This is a stupid thread.

 

Of course they have bargaining power, theres more jobs to be had so more opportunity to get your true worth in the market place. Theres no min price set on commodities such as wheat, corn, iron ore, they cant switch jobs, they cant barter for themselves. Why is it then that all raw materials arent bought up by evil companies for pennies? Oh of course, supply and demand set their market value - what a shocking concept.

What I will say however is that govt should enforce strict immigration (inc illegals) to protect workers from floods of low skilled workers giving them a stronger demand.

 

Yeah.. the obvious sub-text was: "..at the expense of..". Sorry you missed it.

But to answer your question.. Do I "deserve" what it is that someone agreed to trade me for said apple?

Of course.

The real question is however: If the market rate for apples is .12 cents, do I "deserve" .15 simply because an authoritative body forced the buyer to pay that price?

Of course not.

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Thats how the commodity markets work, so I guess it is ok. The price of wheat, rice, milk, etc. all have set pricing. We even pay not to grow.

 

Sadly, I'm reminded of the words of Voltaire.

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I am not sure on this minimum wage thing. I guess we still allow piece work, or other ways around it? Isn't that what a paper boy gets, is piece work per sale of a paper?

It appears having a minimum wage stimulates the economy, so if you remove it, workers have less buting power, businesses start closing that can't sell goods, workers are laid off, factories close, and American taxpayers have to subsidize wages and unemployment, giving them less buying power as well.

 

The human rights angle is a red herring. If it were valid then unemployed people should be taking legal action for such breaches.

 

The minimum wage is a tax.

We are taxed in four ways:
1. Money is printed or otherwise electronicly conjured up therefore diluting the money supply and devaluing our money.
2. Money is borrowed against future tax revenues.
3. Money is withheld or otherwise confiscated.
4. Money is allocated by mandate. (We're told how to spend what's left.)

The primary purpose of the Fed. tax code is not to generate revenue; it is to influence how what is not taxed is spent.

 

The dynamics of the capitalist system would drive wages down to nothing. It wouldn't be good for the capitalists either because they rely on us workers buying back the goods and services we produce. There's a limit to the wealth we workers can absorb if we have to buy homebrand dog food to feed our families.

 

I think it's rather ironic that the same folks that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about allowing more illegals to have free reign at our borders are usually the same people who (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about minimum wage. Do they not see the cause and affect between the two? Can we really allow for continued illegal immigration/immigrants that will work way below the minimum wage which has direct conflict on the same minimum of which you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)? Meanwhile, Rome continues to burn….

 

The minimum wage has no impact on employment. It has no impact on the buying power of the minumum wage either. It merely recalibrates the value of the currency.

 

Do you have some figures to back up those claims? I don't see what difference it makes if Mexican workers work in American-owned factories just inside Mexico next to the border or American-owned factories inside America. Just another attempt to divide the working class. But the workers have no country.