Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

You think just because we are white that my family didn't face discrimination being from the South and coming up North. That's shows what little you know about the times back then and even to a small degree even today. These boards are filled with people cutting down Southerners. They have always been considered backward people who are dumber than hell. I am sure you aren't old enough to know. It's just isn't Blacks that were discriminated against. There were no laws protecting my family from housing and job discrimination.

Educate yourself a little bit and see how for years the Irish were looked on like dogs. How they were refused housing and jobs. It isn't just Blacks that were treated badly.

 

Show where it is true.

What you posted.

No I was pointing out yours

Welcome now you know.

Sometimes yes sometimes no and only for so long.

But true because they are backed by it.

One does not have to be an "expert" to be aware of something.

ME:
Get a high school education, don't drop out of school. If you do get a GED.
Don't have children out of wedlock
Don't get married until you are in your mid-late twenties
Don't engage in crime
Be a good employee for your employer

It's not hard and facts proves your chances of living in poverty are practically nil if you follow those simple guidelines. Perhaps if the black community preached those things more than the gangsta hiphop fatherless society it does the levels of poverty would decrease, just pumping tax payer dollars into it certainly hasn't helped.

 

What does "presided over the largest public debt increases"mean exactly and how do you claim that when in fact a Democrat President with a Democrat controlled congress were in power when the largest addition to the debt ever occurred almost doubling it?

 

What effects and how do they manifest themselves? Schools were desegreated in the South back in the late 60's. I know I was attending them and got buses and had to change school my senior year to satisfy the quota. The fact is the schools were not segregated before that, we had black students from the neighborhood attending, there just weren't the proper mix. I worked in the early 70's right along side blacks and even had black bosses on one job. I have worked with blacks all my life and in my sales career had many black customers working for large corporations in both maintenance positions and purchasing positions. I call on a black engineer, a woman as a matter of fact, at a huge international steel company just last week and the buyer I deal with at that company is also black. All my kids attended the same schools the black kids in my community attend with the same teachers. My grandkids now do and in fact one of my grandsons attends one of the better magnet schools which is PREDOMINATELY black.

What differences? Perhaps when the black community in general starts treating the rest of society differently then this change will occur and you won't have anything to cry about but that onus is on your society not mine.

As an example, just this morning

FLORIDA THEATER PARKING LOT BRAWL WITH 600-PLUS INVOLVED RESULTS IN 5 ARRESTS
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Brawl-600-Plus-Involved-Results-in-5-Arrests


Hundreds of teens trash mall in wild flash mob
http://nypost.com/2013/12/27/hundre...w&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

People have issues with the lawlessness and disrespect for a civil society that permeates black society as many blacks themselves do but get no support in the general black community which perfers to make excuses that it is all caused by the segregation of the 50's.

He goes through no more "crap" than any other President goes through, just look at the "crap" Bush43 went through. Obama goes through his "crap" because of policies and actions, not the color of his skin.

 

Since WW2 public debt increased dramatically, conservatives have presided over most of this, and the recent addition followed the largest crash by an unregulated system brought in thanks to mostly conservative advocacy. Wait, youre not going to tell me it was Clinton's fault are you?

 

Youve just disabled your own argument, you now admit that black people are indeed taking advantage of all the opportunities given them, so since they are indeed becoming scientists and mathematicians what is your problem now? Why arent you more respectful?

 

---This attitude is destructive. Having the right to do something is not the same as doing the right thing. Understanding where one has come from and using it as motivation to move forward is a good thing. Living in the past because you have no future, or because your future is bleak is the state of the impotent. Feeling or being powerless can engender belligerence, but frequent or chronic anger is a poor substitute for courage and resolve.

---The black community is plagued with objective problems such as the birth rate of children out of wedlock-or two parent homes-an enormous high school drop out rate among males and an incarceration rate that is ridiculous.

---I'm half black and half white. My black father had seven children out of wedlock, with multiple women. He has spent his life in and out of prison because of his trade in drugs. I have a slew of intimate memories in and around the east side of Detroit, in impoverished black neighborhoods where black hoods threatened to murder my mother's "zebra" babies.

---I also have intimate memories of the exact opposite, in lily white neighborhoods of Royal Oak where me and my mother got long, inappropriate stares. Racism goes both ways, and as a biracial person I can say, from my own personal experience, that I have received as much racism from blacks as I have from whites.

---The big difference in my personal background between white and black racism was that as an attendant of mostly black schools in my childhood, it was socially acceptable for blacks to make racist remarks to me. Much like what a black student might experience at a predominately white school. I won the lotto for getting (*)(*)(*)(*) on by both groups, though.

---But I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder. I used to, until I learned that sober courage is far more productive than intoxicating anger. I resolved to own my life and not allow anyone else to determine how I should feel; I do not allow people to have power over me.

---Racist slander reminds me of the story of the golem. You have this impotent, mindless creature that becomes animated with anger, in this context, at the utterance of a word, as if it were an incantation. Such a lowly creature it is.

 

If most Blacks we taking advantage of opportunities given to them, unemployment among Blacks wouldn't be so high. There wouldn't be so many broken homes. Or 70% births and unmarried. The opportunities are there. Some people have taken advantage of them, stayed in school, went to college, stayed out of gangs and didn't get arrested. To many didn't. Way to many didn't.

 

“Our high school dropout rate is still unsustainably high for a knowledge-based economy and still unacceptably high in our African-American, Latino, and Native-American communities,” Duncan said.

Across the United States, more than 500,000 students who were supposed to graduate in the 2009–2010 academic year dropped out, a rate of 3.4 percent. That figure represents a decline from 4.1 percent in the 2008-2009 period.

Asian/Pacific Islander and White students had the lowest dropout rates, at 1.9 percent and 2.3 percent, respectively. In increasing order, the dropout rate for Hispanic students was 5.0 percent; for Black students, 5.5 percent; and for American Indian/Alaska Native students, 6.7 percent.

I would have thought Hispanics would have a higher dropout rate than Blacks, with so many illegals here and not speaking English. But not so, Blacks dropped out even more.

 

Blaming your actions today on yesterday is so much easier than doing something productive, and they get paid for it, so I can see why.

I am not with you on one issue however. After so many years associated with the academic community I am starting to think there is something genetic. The lack of achievement now because of what happened 100 years ago is starting to wear thin. Even black educators are thinking there is something wrong with the way black mothers raise their kids from 0-5. Never mind black fathers, they don't care.

Everyone acknowledges that blacks have a genetic athletic advantage. Somehow the fact that they now own sports in this 'racist' society escapes blacks, for how would that be possible with whites keeping them down?

 

does white America really understand the economic ramifications of a white minority? The people that are supposedly going to keep the high tech economy rolling can't perform high school algebra

 

Who's holding the blacks down? Surely i'm not, neither are common people throughout the world. If you want to find the culpripts you should go back a little in time and watch how some white people bought black slaves from willingly black tribal leaders, so that when slavery was abolished it still took a little time for whities to realize blacks are no more slaves or inferior beings, but of today, i really don't see anybody holding the blacks down. Don't you have a black president, of who you are so prudish? Am i missing something?

 

None of what you described is exclusive to blacks... so where is the relevance to this discussion?

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Ohhh PUH-LEASE explain to me how I can mistake such a statement. I want to hear this one.

 

LOL, you are making yourself look inferior with your ignorant statements.

Please, describe what "thoughts" black people have that are inferior.

 

Slavery and racism affects EVERY aspect of race relations in America today. ALL OF IT. Until most blacks are born into families with wealth comparable to white peers, it will be that way because of HISTORY.

As I continue to reiterate, there are other races that grow up in broken homes, quit school, etc. Stop trying to throw blanket statements on the Black Community when you don't know jack about what the problems and solutions are.

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It is a false statement. The largest public debt increase came under the Reagan Administration, when it increased by roughly 300%.

 

Ohh brother. Where do you live?

Come to Buffalo, NY and most northern cities. Blacks are located in run down inner city schools, not the suburban schools. Suburban districts in Buffalo-Niagara are ~98% white, and send 99% of their students to college. That is the reality. Opportunities are not equal in education. Opportunities aren't equal in employment either. White people have been middle and upper class for generation, so they have stronger professional networks that blacks do not have yet.

Still dodging my criminal justice statement, eh?

What the hell are you talking about? How does the black community need to treat society differently? You are talking like black people owe America something. Get out of here. Black people are still fighting for equality. Black teenagers can't even walk home without being perceived as criminals and shot to death.

So because a bunch of idiots disrupted society somehow black people disrupt society?

This is what you don't get sir. You look at a bunch of black people that you don't know, and feel you have the right to throw blanket statements over the ENTIRE black population. But you aren't racist because you "work with" black people and interact with them. What you are doing is called PREJUDICE - you are PREJUDGING black society because of the actions of a few. That is why people on here are calling you a racist, regardless of if you are or not.

Did you not look at the videos I posted?

watch again. MOST of Obama's opposition IS the color of his skin. Why was the fillibuster abused so much? Why is EVERY Obama proposal opposed with no negotiation? Why is Obama not allowed to spend government money (he has spent less than ANY of the last 5 presidents)? Why is Obama not allowed to take a vacation? Why is Obama not allowed to touch our corrupt health care system? Why is Obama still required to show his birth certificate? Why must Obama go "back" to Kenya, a country which he was not born in?

I can go on. Obama has faced more bull(*)(*)(*)(*) than any president in the history of this country. If you can't see that, you need your eyes checked.

 

That won't happen as long as democrats/liberals keep enabling blacks. They see blacks as votes, they don't want blacks to succeed.

You need to wake up.

 

LOL. You sound like a Parrot for Fox News.

 

I know what I'm talking about. Please explain to us how democrats/liberals have helped blacks progress over the past 50 years. They are responsible for the decimation of the family structure of African Americans. 70% of newborn blacks born into fatherless homes.

 

Yes, so because we have a black president racism is over?

 

Never said it was exclusive to blacks. But Blacks have a much higher unwed birth rate than any other group. They have the second highest school dropout rate, beaten only by the Native Indians and Escomo. They have the highest major crime rate of the other races.

 

The biggest issue blacks have faced in the past 50 years have been:

1) Zoning / White Flight
2) War on drugs

I refuse to equate politics with the success of an entire ethnic group.

Immigrant blacks have higher educational marks than native blacks AND native whites, so politics obviously aren't the answer. It is the toxic American culture. Ghettos are found in every major city now, with poverty and broken homes. The significance is blacks outnumber other ethnic groups in these areas.

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Those are effects of the problem, not the cause.

Blacks have high crime rates because they disproportionately live in poverty.

 

Nah that's bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Academics there is nothing genetic. Immigrant blacks outperform native blacks and native whites. So much for that theory.

 

White flight comes becase Blacks turn the neighborhood into ghettos.

Drugs do play a big part,

Poverty could be cut down if the family unit stayed together. If Kids stayed in school. If they stayed away from gangs and not get arrested. All those high statistics play a major part of being poor or getting ahead.

 

I can't disagree with that.

Why leave out the more obvious reason? (....racism). Let's keep it real, some white people just don't want to live near blacks. Most city zoning incidents happened during the 60s and 70s which coincidentally was the height of white flight.

Tricked. Whites use drugs more than blacks. Blacks are just arrested for it far more often.

Agreed. This isn't exclusive to blacks, so is kind of a strawman.