The Truth about Chris Christie by (another) Jersey Guy

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  1. ProgressivePatriot

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    Doesn't reparative therapy cost money? If it is outlawed, won't we stop spending money on this? I think so. As a small government type, I like not spending money.

    I have read that people like me (Libertarian) are incompatible with Social Cons. That a Libertarian society will generate needy people that will then vote for big government. I have read that the under 30 crowd are developing some interesting political positions. They find social cons repugnant. But they also distrust gun control and much of what I'd label big government. I just read an article that calls it more an attitude than a movement. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/cc9a31b8-7928-11e3-b381-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2qISN6RHH
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you say, most educated voters still look at it as small potato's though. This stuff will die out, and yes other Repubs will take their pot shots, always do. Same will happen with Clinton.
    If Obama and team had not lied about Health Care Romney would have done an awful lot better. They flat out lied and people will never forget that, mostly because that bill comes every month, they cant forget it. On that Bill they will see Obama's face,,,not good for the Dems at all. Next to Health Care that Bridge thing is a Zero,,,

    The Dems cant point to Christie and call him a Liar [especially if they cant prove it], when they themselves have the Liar of the year award...and the entire country pays for it EVERY MONTH...

    I could be wrong,,,doubt it. If they do forget about the Health care mess, the up coming Bail out will remind them......

    The Dems have a huge problem,,people HATE INSURANCE, and they HATE the fact they were lied too. The Dems are tied to both forever.
     
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    Bill (A-321) or “Lisa’s Law,” was designed to aid victims of domestic violence. It did so by giving courts the power to order electronic monitoring for certain offenders. Lisa’s Law takes it name from Letizia “Lisa” Zindell of Toms River, NJ. Sadly, Zindell was murdered in 2009 by her former fiancé. Since the murder occurred a day after her fiance’, Frank Frisco Jr., was released from jail for violating a restraining order, the bill was created to prevent that from happening to future victims. Lisa’s Law actually had bi-partisan support, so this appears to be an ‘Angry Chris Christie’ taking his woes out on the State Legislature.


    “I’m disappointed and a bit surprised at the Governor’s delay in this bill given that roughly 15-18 other states have instituted similar laws,” said Assemblyman Troy Singleton (D-Burlington), one of the bill’s sponsors.“However, I’m committed to working together to build consensus so that we can see this law implemented as swiftly as possible. Letizia Zindell’s tragic death shows more must be done to protect victims of domestic abuse from a similar fate.” (PolitickerNJ)


    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/13/lisas-law-gets-vetoed/ :steamed::steamed::steamed::steamed:
     
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    The fact that you feel the need to go off on a tangent with tripe about Obama, means you can't handle the Christie news.
    He's toast, people are piling on now, there's another mayor who was the victim Christie's retribution and now there are hearings, this won't end well for Christie, because he's losing his shine, and the primaries are a year away.
    And who is going to help him? The democrats aren't going to, and most republicans have someone else they want to see get the nomination, so there's very few people who will be standing up for him, and once he starts to fade, even rats leave a sinking ship.
     
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    If Ryan re-affirms his insistence that he's a reformed randwanker, and commits to the Pope's gospel message, he may even carry his hometown of Janesville next time that rejected him as Willard's sidekick last time. His state is too much for him to hope for, though.
     
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    If you pulled up along side some of these jamokes on the highway to tell them their baby had just fallen out of their car, they'd change the subject and start sputtering about Obama.
     
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    The savvy crowd in the GOP is well aware of the direction of the national demographics and realizes that, if they couldn't win with relative moderates like McCain or Romney, they certainly aren't going to come close by stomping off toward the opposite extreme.

    In the meantime, Turdblossom vs the TPs is quite amusing.

    Watch for the party bosses to groom and manage the emergence of a Christie replacement before long. They're thinking "a svelte Christie that doesn't flash that Tony Soprano sort of charm."
     
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    Time will tell. He has more name recognition and will not be subject to the Willard gaffs. He is moving toward the center and has a lot of decent newer ideas to build on. He will have more than two hours to make his case to the people in 3 minute soundbytes. He wouldn't be my ideal choice for President, but I think the die has been cast for him to be the next nominee.
     
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    Paul Ryan, isn't he the guy that wanted to do away with Medicare?
    You don't think that might hurt him in Florida?
    Especially if he's running against Elizabeth Warren, who's message is "now is the time to expand Social Security".
    How does that play in an aging nation?
     
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    I am sure that will be the democratic line if and when, but that is not exactly his plan, and given time over months to explain it, who is affected and when will negate the position. He did well when he camped out in FL meeting with anybody and everybody dispelling the misleading democratic talking points on that.
     
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    His plan was to replace Medicare with a voucher, that would never rise in value, and let old people fend for themselves trying to buy insurance, and of course under the Ryan Plan, insurance companies could exclude pre-existing conditions and drop coverage if the old codger got expensive.....
    You want him to explain that plan.....Grandma's listening....
    He's a Democratic wet dream.......I mean he is actually famous for wanting to do away with Medicare, it's the thing he is best known for.
    That and a comprehensive budget plan that reduced taxes on the wealthy and still managed to balance the budget by cutting "stuff", a plan that fit on one side of a single sheet of paper......I mean, Joe Biden owned him in the debate....
     
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    As opposed to the democrats explaining how they have raised the out of pocket costs for seniors to help fund Obamacare which is only helping above median wage households and deadbeats? I would rather be in his shoes than theirs the way things are going.
     
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    The way things are going? Things are going pretty good, despite all the obstruction the economy is recovering, it should be nice by 2016.
    And you know what happened last time the economy was going nice and we put the GOP in charge........
     
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    No because the US was in a recession when Bush took over from Clinton and Reagan took over from Carter. Don't really know what it was like when Bush took over from Reagan but it apparently is what cost him a second term. I guess you must be referring to Nixon taking over from LBJ but that was in the per-civilized universe before my arrival--the real Dark Ages .
     
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    When George W. Bush took office unemployment was 4.2%, a year later it was 5.7%, that and a budget surplus was the disaster that Clinton left Bush to deal with.
    Bush left Obama with 7.9% and rising unemployment and a trillion plus deficit, and fewer private sector jobs than the day Bush took office.

    Things are going pretty now, and getting better..
     
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    The economy was in an official recession almost as soon as Bush put his hand on the Bible, and of course unemployment was worse, NAFTA and the WTO were just getting going sending blue collar manufacturing jobs overseas thanks to Clinton. The deficits were the result of two wars and were supported by *gasp* democrats, you know who were for the wars until it was more politically expedient to be against them.
     
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    You do know that most Democrats opposed Iraq.
    There were some who were mislead into thinking that an invasion by a small underwhelming force lead by a clown could prove successful and they wanted to get in the victory parade.
    You know, you can whine about "How bad Clinton left it", but sooner or later you have to realize that Bush, the first Republican president to have a Republican House and Senate since right before the Great Depression, the first president since Hoover to leave office with fewer private sector jobs than when he took office, and the president who lead the nation into the Great Recession, is never going to come out looking good.
     
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    Good points. With Christie's self-inflicted problem, Ryan already tiptoeing away from the wacko birds, and so few viable options in sight, he's worth watching - or keeping an eye on.
     
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    Apparently the public doesn’t care, even in New Jersey.

    Left-wing politico.com notices.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/chris-christie-poll-102110.html

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    “…two new polls show the public has remained largely indifferent, calling into question the long-term political consequences the scandal might have on Christie.”

    “The Pew Research Center poll reports that 60 percent of adults say their opinion of Christie has not changed since revelations that top aides were involved in politically motivated lane closures on the George Washington Bridge.”

    “Fifty-two percent of Garden Staters say they don’t think Christie was involved.”

    Taxcutter says:
    At least Christie has not suborned the FBI into whitewashing the incident the way Hussein Obama has got the FBI whitewashing the IRS atrocities.
     
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    Changing the Subject Won't Work http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ying-to-change-the-subject-conservatives.html

    The problem is that, outside of the right-wing media, neither Benghazi nor the IRS incident are real scandals. After intensive coverage on both, most reporters and partisan investigators came away empty-handed. They uncovered problems, yes—a directionless and overworked IRS office, a State Department caught off-guard—but nothing like the deliberate retribution and thuggishness we’ve seen from the Christie aides.
     
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    I would support, instead, right to conceal carry laws. This law you write of sounds like it gives more power against people that should not suffer from a more intrusive government. We the people need to remind our loved ones and communities that in reality, they are on there own. They need to be ready to defend themselves at all time.
     
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    Who should not suffer more from government intrusion? Wife abusers? Murderers? Lets not muddy the waters here by confusion the issue.
     
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    His polls today are a point higher than they were after Sandy......http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-01-15/christie-s-job-performance-rating-tumbles-in-quinnipiac-poll

    Like I said,,small potato stuff,,unless of course he is caught lying. This retribution stuff infects all politicians, always has. If Christie fails it will be because there are Repubs that see him as too moderate. Actually I am kind of surprised, if Clinton should lose wouldn't you guys be better off with a moderate in the White House? It would be much worse if she lost to somebody else,,right?
     

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