America is not much more dangerous. What you mean is that there is much more danger of becoming a victim of gun crime in America. But this is no reason to segregate gun deaths from other 'accidental' deaths (like deaths caused by cars) if your goal is to decrease the amount of avoidable deaths in society. And taking away guns is no solution for America, you'd just be taking the guns away from the most sane gun owners, giving crazies a monopoly on guns. Have you any idea how many American rednecks would just not give up their guns. There are loopholes which allow Americans to get unregistered guns, for example they can be bought at gun shows which is huge business. America is saturated with guns, restricting them won't change much. You should focus on car deaths, more people die from cars than guns thus car deaths is a bigger problem. Gun deaths are a drop in the ocean.
It is amazing that even though I went out of my way to talk about REDUCTION WHILE KEEPING GUNS all of the knee jerkers have come on and posted the same old same old a) Denial that there is gun violence in America b) State that even if there is it is all down to "criminals" and NOT "good guys" c) 2nd Amendment d) keep out of our business!
And where is the data for the rest of Germany? http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf Note please per 100,000 - America 5 (total not just guns) Germany 0.8
so no statistics to prop your claim.................. - - - Updated - - - .....using cellphones and driving................
I am sorry. I admit I did not read your post properly, it is a late night for me and I should have read it more carefully. But you did the same thing with what I wrote. I am a lefty and could give a crap about any 'constitutional rights' (rights are universal, they do not have to be granted by legislation). Maybe you can read my post and we can start a better conversation?
Yes, cell phones should be regulated to ensure they do not explode in people's faces. Thankfully that is rare. Yes, car users should be encouraged to ditch cars in favour of public transport to reduce deaths - but their cars should not be forcibly taken away from them.
Apologies - started with the quote of yours and ended with a general comment about responses on this thread - which you have to admit come pretty close to my examples
Hah, ok. You could quote my post again and respond to it, I think we could have a good respectful conversation. Your choice though.
typical Lib propaganda..............dude, you have any idea how many deaths occurred while driving and texting? it isn't the tool, it is abuse of the tool................ Who said anything about cell phones blowing up in anyone's face? Or are you trying to defllect the phone usage while driving? It's perfectly ok for one person to destroy a family while texting and driving...that's real sweet of you..............
We agree on one thing - it is doubtful you will ever take the guns away from America - especially since it still has an active armaments industry with a vested interest in keeping a good customer pool. It comes down to then restricting USE or finding ways to make the owner totally responsible for the eventual use of the gun PS Ignore the troll/s that inhabit this forum there is more than a few I have on R&R - read and report
I think you misinterpret the point I was making. We should always try to reduce deaths from anything, but taking away guns will not fix the problem of people dying. You have to reduce the criminal element, not hassle legal and sane gun owners. I mentioned cars and phones as analogies for why we should not just ban guns. By the way I am not a liberal.
Yes, the trolls are irritating. Good thing there are reasonable people like us. I do not think it comes down purely to restricting use, though of course use should be restricted. It is much more effective to reduce the criminal element than to regulate them out of illegal activity. To reduce criminal elements significantly is easy. If you legalized drugs (which would undercut the criminals), reduced poverty and found ways to regain community spirit I guarantee gun crime would be greatly reduced.
sheer wishful thinking....................it is not the lawful gun owners committing crimes. You cannot change our Constitution to satisfy your ego, you have absolutely no power here. None at all, regardless of how much you stomp your feet. harassing lawful owners is not going to stop the criminals....maybe we could send them to Australia. You guys are a society based on criminals.
Homicide isnt "dead bodies", its what caused the death and is more about a persons intent than the actual death, and if the every nation defines "homicide" differently then there can be no comparison. Thats what you and others have argued, definitions are so different that comparisons cannot be made - at least comparisons that contradict your guns are bad/America is bad mantra. Besides, the numbers in your poster do not match the numbers in the various crime data bases.
In our town in rural Alabama we have had 2 gun homicides in the last 31 years. Both dying from the same criminal shooter.
Irrelevant Most are from the criminal element. Absolutely without regard to gun violence. Probably good advice. Why not concentrate on your own "evils." The two most egregious off the top of my head is the way GB handled the ME Mandate and the Partition of India.
Rights are universal, even if not recognized by some people or countries. In addition, codifying those rights can stop a lot of arguments in their tracks.
