Obamacare Is Succeeding!

Have the ward nurse ease up on your security settings. The Weekly Standard isn't something you have to fear.

Lol @ not knowing how to get past that.
Sheesh.

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Lol, no kidding.

 

Good advice from a poster on healthcare.gov.

"Millions of new enrollees are signing up for Medicaid due to its expansion under Obamacare, but many will be shocked to learn that their estates can be held liable for the costs of their healthcare.As part of the 1993 budget reconciliation bill, Congress required states to implement the Medicaid Estate Recovery Program (MERP) to seek reimbursement of payments for nursing homes and long-term care facilities.(*)Obamacare, officially known as The Affordable Care Act, greatly expanded the services for which reimbursement can be pursued, and states can now use liens to recover money spent by Medicaid for services beyond long-term care.

(*)Like(*)·(*)2(*)·(*)Reply(*)·(*)Jan 15 at 10:14pm"

 

It was YOU that snidely brought up the fine print in accident policies. I explain that to you and you wander off into a cloud. If you want to be misinformed all your life, that is your choice.

 

Have I what? I made no claim that lives were saved or lost. The misnomer Mr Truth claims 45,000 have been saved. I asked, "on what non-partisan information."

Evidently you have no answer either.

Try again.

 

It is the "m" at the front end. Usually the "m" indicates that version of the website optimized for mobile devices like phones.

It looked safe to me.

 

And you added to the "wandering in the clouds" conversation that it was the politicians who approved it. Doesn't look like misinformation to me. More like a warning to getting insurance the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of our healthcare.

 

Obamascam by the numbers. obobo's own numbers.

the head liar, obobo, If you like your plan you can keep your plan, PERIOD.
Claims 40 million Americand don't have HEALTHCARE, because they don't have HEALTH INSURANCE.

40 million out of 317 million. 12.6%

obobo FALSELY claims that 30 million of the uninsured will get coverage under the unAffordable Care Act. 9.5% of the population.

But the NON PARTISAN, Congressional Budget Office says only 15 million will gain coverage. 4.7% of the population.

Both fail to mention that 100 million will HAVE to replace cancelled coverage with more expensive policies they did not choose to have. But that is another story.


So for 4.7% of the population, we turn upside down BOTH the health insurance industries and the health care industries that have been serving 87.4% of the population better than any other systems in the world.


And WHO are the 40 million without coverage or healthcare?

The poor?

NO, not the poor. Medicaid, GOVERNMENT welfare INSURANCE covers more than 60 million people in the USA. At least half again more than the 40 million "without insurance." The figures, in light of the many proven lies by obobo are beyond suspect.

But that does not tell us WHO these "uninsured" people are. Can we know how many of the 15 or 30 million that will be FORCED by a domineering govt into having insurance, DON'T want insurance? Not can't afford, DON'T WANT.

If the CBO is correct in their figures, and their figures must be considered suspect also, but 1000% more reliable than obobo's lies. Then Medicaid expansion ALONE will cover ALL that WANT coverage.

So what is left? Pre-existing conditions.

How many people have pre-existing medical conditions that will deny them health insurance under the old rules?

obobo
"If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor,,,,PERIOD!"

and

"Families will save $2500.00 per year EACH!"

The same obobo that told those LIES said HALF of Americans have pre-existing medical conditions that will preclude them purchasing health insurance. 158,500,000

ANOTHER LIE!

If 40 million don't have insurance, then the other 277 million do. And the actual figure of insured Americans is,,,,,,,,,,,309,000,000!

The actual REAL number of people with pre-existing medical conditions?

ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND. 1,500,000. How hard would it be to come up with a program to cover 1,5 million when govt welfare Medicaid already covers more than 60 million?

The simple answers are that there is no moral, ethical, compassionate, financial, medical NEED for the ACA. NONE WHATSOEVER.

So WHAT is the agenda behind a useless, failing, unnecessary law?

 

So now you are AGAINST the ACA? Since the ACA is insurance by govt FORCE, and you want insurance out of health care, you must be against the ACA. As am I.

And INSURANCE in health care is not a problem. INSURANCE is a transfer of risk. Coverage for every routine medical question in existence is a pre payment plan and thus MUST be expensive. Coverage for a major risk has always been cheap.

So have I misinterpreted your posts and you are anti-obamascam? If so, my bad.

 

Did you even bother to read the links. The WH specifically claimed that 6 million people are covered because of Obamacare when most of those people were just renewing their already existing coverage.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...edicaid_enrollees_under_obamacare_121146.html

The White House has propagated numbers regarding sign-ups for the Affordable Care Act, claiming that the program is responsible for 4 million people gaining coverage through Medicaid expansion; 3 million enrollees in their early 20s who remain on their parents’ policies; and 2 million who have purchased insurance through the exchanges.

This claim has significant ramifications, both in terms of policy and politics. If 9 million people really are new beneficiaries of Obamacare at this point, then there is a decent chance that the GOP’s “repeal” mantra will be a net negative by the fall.

All of these numbers have issues. Objections to the latter two -- as well as the rejoinders to these objections -- have been discussed extensively, and I will not rehash them here. Suffice it to say that at least some of these people had insurance before the ACA went into effect, and would obtain insurance if the ACA were repealed.

But I haven’t really seen much discussion about the Medicaid figures. The 4 million new beneficiaries seems to be taking on near-canonical status, even being used by the fact checkers at the Washington Post for evaluating GOP claims.

This is odd, because after looking carefully at the numbers cited, the Medicaid figures are the weakest of the bunch. It’s a virtual certainty that the number of enrollments attributable to Obamacare is an order of magnitude less than the 4 million sign-ups implied, and the number of people [on Medicaid] who would actually lose their insurance if Obamacare were repealed is probably around 200,000 to 300,000.

The problem is identified in this Ezra Klein column (emphasis mine):

“Meanwhile, in October and November alone, more than 4 million people signed up for Medicaid coverage. This number will be much higher when December’s totals are released. It’s hard to say exactly how many of those Medicaid enrollments Obamacare is responsible for -- the government’s numbers don’t distinguish between people who signed up through Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion and those who entered the program through pre-existing channels. But the fact remains that Medicaid enrolled well over twice as many people as signed up for private insurance through the exchanges."

(Note: Klein has just published more to this effect.)

This is really important stuff. The statistics tell us how many people signed up for Medicaid, period, in October and November. The problem is that people are always signing up for Medicaid. Even without the ACA, we would have had people signing up in October and November. Lots of them, in fact: Medicaid is a program that services 60 million citizens, so the number of monthly enrollments that keep a relatively stable population is pretty substantial.

So, how many of these 4 million sign-ups are attributable to Obamacare, and how many of them are just people who entered the system under the earlier rules? The “4 million” number derives from this document, published Dec. 20 by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. It reports on the November enrollment numbers. There’s a similar document for October here.*

Let’s turn to this chart, which tells us the number of applications for financial assistance received by states in October and November (4,209,742, of which 1,736,809 applied in November), and the number of people who were determined eligible for both Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (3,926,068, of which 1,741,011 were determined eligible in November). These numbers are where the “4 million” comes from......"

Your side is the one that keeps pumping these entirely false and inflated numbers out there and unlike you I have provided links that back up my position while you just sit there and snarl like a snarky chihuaha. You are not nearly smart enough to be able to make even a passable argument in defense of Obamacare judging by your inability to back up your position so why are you bothering to post on this forum if you are adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Let the grown ups talk, you can go sit at the kids table.

 

Sorry, you misrepresented again. I'm actually for baby steps. Obamacare first, then we graduate to Obama government run healthcare. You have to educate the people slowly you know. The ACA gives them the peek they need to jump to the next.

 

Sorry that this is news to you. But we have had the baby steps and you missed all of them.

The first is/was over regulation of the health insurance industry by politicians, aka, the govt. The next was Medicare. And then Medicaid. All baby steps of govt control. And all caused higher health care costs and all caused higher health insurance costs. And now obamascam will cause both higher costs and poorer service.

It is truly sad that you have missed the obvious that has been going on all around you, all your unaware life.

And evidently I was right the first time, you are for government control of insurance and health care.

Try answering this question. What government intrusion into private enterprise, in the entire history of the USA, has resulted in EITHER lower costs? OR improved service? The correct answer since you are blind to the obvious is, NONE, ever. And obamascam or single payer would not and will not be the first.

We are going to find is that the the totally botched and wasted billions of the obamascam roll out. WILL prove to be the LEAST problematic part of this worst law passed in the history of the nation.

 

Target to Drop Health Insurance for Part-Time Workers

Target Corp. said it will end health insurance for part-time employees, joining Trader Joe’s Co., Home Depot Inc. and other retailers that have scaled back benefits in response to changes from Obamacare....
Bloomberg

 

You're close. The role of your government is to foil the greedy capitalist that don't contributed to their war chests. While allow the ones that do are allowed to pollute and steal from the poor. Like Obama's too big to be punished banks and Wall Street and Monsanto.

 

There are millions who seem to love their medicare and medicaid. And I personally know many that do. And isn't it interesting; after decades of having it, we still do.

 

I'm seldom attaching 'names' to what I see anymore... all I see now are agendas and the actions which stem from them.

Also, I know that money should NOT be considered to be more important than 'people'.

 

The whole reason the Right exists is to DENY people help. Anybody who tries to say that isn't, and always has been, their main and major reason for existence must be totally out of touch with all real present politics and accepted history for the entirety of their lives.

 

Teaching a man to fish for himself is selfish?

 

And the goal of the left is to buy the poor man's soul at ten cents on the dollar using other people's money and act as if this is somehow a benefit to the poor. I will accept your notion of a government run utopia the minute evolution produce at least one human being who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Until then forget it. The only thing you will produce with all your well intended but ill conceived government programs is an ever increasing number of disastrous unintended consequences which it will attmpt to repair with ever more expensive and worthless bandaids until such time as the whole damn nasty rotten edifce collapses and were all screwed.

 

If you're trying to get everyone healthcare, Obamacare is not the way to do it. It's not good policy. Come up with some other way to get everyone health insurance other than simply ordering around existing insurance companies.

 

Oh, it is ok if it is botched here or there a little, it will get better once we get rid of the slob rightys in congress. You know they get paid to sit on their hands, go on vacations, and do nothing in congress.

 

Costs too much. Bad economic sense. Too much red tape.

Simpler and universal solutions exist, someone simply has to use common sense and propose them.

 

Oh I suppose the way is coming as more insurance company's continue to raise their rates and more people shift over to ACA.


The cost to cover the typical family of four under an employer plan is expected to top $20,000 on health care this year, up more than 7% from last year, according to early projections by independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc. In 2002, the cost was just $9,235, the firm said. http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/29/pf/healthcare-costs/

Its headed to a thousand a month, and remember that doesn't include your deductible.

 

that's a load of crap, Obamacare IS a moderate democrat policy(and all the major democrats still support it)...... you're talking about a health plan that was invented by the GOP, introduced by Mitt Romney, and supported by GOP members like Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, and Rick Santorum

if moderate democrats weren't welcome anymore, we certainly wouldn't be the only nation in the world to use a healthcare plan that mandates people to buy from private companies without taking the profit out of that mandated coverage.......

the idea of the ACA being considered some sort liberal healthcare plan is mind boggling, no country in the world with a universal healthcare plan would consider anything like the ACA, the democrats are a party that was bought off by private insurance companies

“The interest of [businessmen] is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ... ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined ... with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men ... who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public” - Adam Smith

 

Harvard University is a 501(c) 3 institution and is therefore non-partisan. Ditto for the physicians group that endorsed its findings.


"Chronic unemployment" - caused by the Republican failure to create a jobs bill and to end Reaganomics "trickle down" myth:






^ that's what you get when you vote Republican



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another Republican myth: "With lower costs a company may experience greater profits, or they may choose to lower prices. It depends on the competitive situation which is best for them to do. Do you have any hard questions? "


the TRUTH:






Funny how the right wingers keep making up lies only to have them easily refuted by the TRUTH.

 

Costs too much?

Then why do we American taxpayers continue to subsidize Israel's SOCIALIST health care program that was praised by Republican Romney?



Republicans were not hung up over cost in the Teri Schiavo case - why the sudden interest in saving money as opposed to lives???