Obamacare Is Succeeding!

Yup. Right wingers have been soundly defeated in this debate - just as they have in so many others. Lacking anything of substance to their debates they resort to attacks and insinuations each of which is an admission of their weaknesses.

 

It's pretty obvious; they are like a stronghold of selfishness and greed.

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Problem is that the 'instruction' from the "Right" is surely lacking. There is much MORE to life than the lessons they would teach.

That is not hard to see.

 

At what point does 'money' become more important than 'people'? (That is a question that's worth pondering seriously.)

 

I don't give a damn, at this point.

Yes, the clue to you in my last post should have been the words "many years". Politicians both LEFT/RIGHT have been posturing-about on this matter since I was a 'boy', and that is a VERY long time ago.

I KNOW that the ACA isn't the most idea solution; what other western nations have employed IS superior (and the experts here KNOW it). Money/politics (power/greed) is what you and others OUGHT to actually be complaining about. No one posting in this forum, is responsible for this BS we are seeing.

At least the ACA got everyone's attention; I say, thank GOD for that!!

 

Well answer me a question. If it's working, why is Obama Care written up so to reimburse the insurance companies up to 80% of their lose up to a certain amount and if it goes over that, 100%? You guys want to make it a single payer system, but with 47% of the country not paying taxes, how much are you going to raise it on those of us who do? It seems to me that the only thing Obama care will do is bankrupt this country.

That isn't saying I'm against providing health insurance to all Americans. We are doing that now, along with providing it to illegals. Our biggest problem is providing long term care to those who need it and change the way we provide it and I don't think that needs to turn our health care system upside down and inside out to do it.

 

It doesn't as long as you don't care if the country goes bankrupt. The trouble with Liberals, you want and want and don't care how it's paid for. Just give it to us. We already provide health care to everyone in this country. It has some flaws, but I am sure we could work it out without bankrupting the whole country. Obama Care doesn't even provide health care to everyone.

 

If it's such a great program, why are they spending $54M taxpayer dollars to beg people to sign up?

 

As intended, by many corporate-politicians (on all sides).

MONEY IN POLITICS and its effects ought not surprise ANY American.

 

That doesn't answer any of my questions

 

Right now, we provide health insurance to every single American and 11 million illegals and we aren't going through this crap that Obama Care requires. We provide health insurance to about 50 million poor, plus illegals that is the most expense health care we can give, the emergency room. Why? The biggest problem we have is providing long term care and don't tell me we can't fix that without ripping our system apart.

 

If you let those given to 'greed' run things much longer, everyone but them... will be 'bankrupt'.

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You are probably asking the 'wrong' questions.

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We can and should switch more financial priority to healthcare.

You can disagree... but that is my position.

 

Most of the people that are just making it and getting no government subsidy and buying the copper and silver plan will be paying out so much in deductible per person, they will never collect a dime from the insurance companies, unless they have a major problem. Their deductible can be as much as four to eight thousand a piece. Not including the monthly premiums. How many can afford that? Got a family of 4 or 5? your going broke if you have any problems.

 

And the question you should be asking yourself is at what point does destroying a man's soul and spirit amount to helping him? Giving poeple things long term doesn't help them it destroys them. Dylan and Klebold were spoiled little rich boys. Getting every thing they wanted doesn't seem to have helped them a lot. Why does so much of life in the 'hood revolve around who gets to sell which poison to their own on what corner? After all they are essentially given three hots and a cot, provided an opportunity to get an education and loads of other freebies? And that's increasingly true regardless of which ethnic group inhabits that particular 'hood. The poison of choice may change and the skin tone of the corner poison mercant but not what life centers about. We've spent neary fifty years now throwing money at the poverty problem and all we have to show for it is a permanent underclass that is slowly eating itself alive. And you and others like you can't see the obvoious or make the obvious connections.

It isn't me that things money is worth more than someone's life. And while there may be a few on my side that may believe such arrant nonsense it is your side that seems to equate life and money.

 

haaaaaaaaaaaa,

 

The success of nationalized RomneyCare is unfolding slower than its Massachusetts paradigm, but fast enough to insure it remains the law of the land.

Yes, the only viable alternative out there is some variation upon the demonstrably superior systems of advanced nations that insure quality care to all at half the cost of the US, but that won't be achieved anytime soon.

 

Successful only if you define success as pitching grnadma under the bus when she turns 65.

 

Sure we should. But what are you willing to give up to pay for it? I am sure everyone who has the government paying for them wants it with no questions asked. But the money has to come from some place. If you want single payer plan, which is all I ever hear out of Liberals, how much are you wanting to raise taxes on the 53% of Americans who would have to pay for it? I'm sure those in the 47% that pay nothing could give a damn what others have to pay.

 

Much of that savings come about because those countries don't pay the cost for the medicine Americans pay. We are the ones stuck with Research and Development cost the pharmaceutical companies put out. Canada and Europe put a limit on how much they will pay out. Do we?

 

You say half the cost, but most European nations pay almost 50% in taxes and if I remember right, about seven of them pay over 50%.

 

Promoting a culture of lust, selfishness, greed and worship of 'money' helps with those things you mention above?

 

It's true that the National Institutes of Health conducts taxpayer-funded R&D that accrues to advancing medical science as well as the private profits of Big Pharma, but that does not account for the huge cost discrepancy between the US that fails to cover 50 million citizens and all those nations that succeed in covering everyone.

If someone has an alternate scheme to the ACA that achieves 100% coverage for quality medical care for Americans at half the cost, they certainly should publicize it.

 

True and well said!!

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What are WE (as a society) willing to give up?

(You well know, that no one American can answer that.)

 

Well with 47% of our society not paying taxes and millions getting subsidies, there are millions that don't have to give up anything. Should those being forced to pay for it have the biggest choice?

 

If we look closely (here in America), that stuff that looks like 'clouds' in the minds and 'cotton' in the ears of bureaucrats... are the potent little things that lobbyists (of every stripe) have placed there.

The American people WANT universal healthcare; but MONEY and those with the power to wield it... stand in the way of the same. It is obvious.

 

You STILL believe that Romney BS???!! Please.

Here is a more accurate picture of what you are suggesting.

(And WE either INVEST in the society around us, or watch it crumble. OUR choice.)