Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

Indeed, which is why I recognize the latter and haven't implied otherwise. Yetzerhara, I hope that's now clear?

 

I cited credible Israeli historians as opposed to Israeli propagandists.

 

The position taken by the Helen Thomas mob seems purposely vague. They still can't seem to explain why recognition would be an obstacle to peace. Perhaps there's some other agenda here.

 

The only thing you've posted is childish denials of well documented history.....and not very convincingly.

 

I don't know why you bother engaging her as though she were actually interested in having an honest discussion. I only wonder if she could possibly be more disingenuous or deceptive.

 

"Childish"......LOL.

 

why didn't Israel demand it of Egypt and Jordan?

I guess they understood that it wasn't neccessary.

 

No you missed the point. Egypt and Jordan are not asking for either of their peoples to be allowed to resettle in Israel and become the majority
Muslim population in Israel.

As well both countries entered into agreements to not allow using their soil to attack Israel.

Morsi did turn a blind eye to terrorists trying to use Egyptian soil to attack Israel and weapons smuggling but
the Egyptian military honoured that agreement and not withstanding Morsi continued working with Israel and
took measures to try stop this terrorism and their results speak for themselves.

If you can't see the difference so be it.

 

I would adopt her. Spunk is good. Lol.

 

Yes you agree people should recognize Israel as a state but not a Jewish one. Which is exactly what I stated earlier. You do not believe anyone has to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Crystal clear.

Uh yah.

 

Just as no one has to recognize Iran or Afghanistan or Pakistan as an Islamic state.

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Abbas is not demanding unrestricted Palestinian refugee immigration to Israel.

 

Adopt? She should be put out to pasture or turned into glue like any other dumb animal past it's usefulness.

 

No doubt that somehow explains why recognition is an obstacle to peace.

 

I guess they understood that it wasn't neccessary.

RECOGNITION BY ITSELF IS <PEACE>!!!

Now to the <turbulent heads> Egypt and Jordan were recognized countries, they fought on the <battlefield> with soldiers of a recognized country... The PA was <N E V E R > a country previously for they were a <TERRORIST> organization with quasi humanoid COVERING THEIR FACES and committing acts of violence and murder...
One has to check the CZECHOS and their primary BASIC school curriculum it must have spawn some mutant there.

 

I wonder how Palestinians feel about being constantly exploited by the Helen Thomas mob?

 

funny how you think Israel is beyond criticism.

 

You seem to have somewhat of an unhealthy obsession with Helen Thomas.

 

You seem to have a very unfamiliar relationship with the truth.

 

Funny how you have to characterize everything within the narrow confines of mindless rhetoric.

 

It depends on his audience. Supposedly he told Kerry he wanted 200,000 returned but told his own assembly he would never accept any fixed number.

Its supposedly one of the issues being negotiated. Fatah Hawks and Hamas have made it clear they will never recognize anything but the entire state being ended as a Jewish state with no ceiling on return of Palestinians.

Even if a number was agreed to it would be meaningless unless it stated in that agreement in exchange for those 200,000 the Arab world and Palestine as a state would have to give up their continuing refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Without that pledge, Israel can not agree to any number. because it would still imply Israel has no right to be Jewish. That is a psychological barrier that no Arab politician seems willing to confront and it epitomizes why the talks are not going anywhere.

In Kerry's proposal he wants East Jerusalem to be in the Palestinian state and Jordan the country that desecrated and burned down the Jewish synagogues and homes of Jews in the East bank and who allowed their soldiers to defecate, urinate and sell pieces of the Wailing Wall,and Jewish holy places as souvenirs to administer the holy cites. That will not work either if for no other reason not only is it an absurd assumption they could be neutral but that such an agreement would ignore the Christian churches who own the land and prefer Israel's army protecting their sites but would prefer an international city recognizing the uniqueness of the three religions.

Kerry is trying to revisit Clinton's proposal of 80,000 Palestinan refugees returned to Israel.

Its a sore spot to Israel because no one talks of providing restitution to the 900,000 Jews forced out of the Arab world of whom 700,000 had to flee to Israel. These people and their relatives are ignored in any peace talks. They are just as entitled to restitution as any alleged Palestinian and no one talk of them.

But of course you know about them. As a fair and open minded Zionist you know about them.

 

the fate of the 800,000 Jews that fled the Muslim world has nothing to do with the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Israel should let back a certain number of first generation refugees.

what should Palestine give in return? they could recognize Israel as "a Jewish state that is sworn to be committed to democracy, freedom, and equality for all citizens, Jews and non-Jews".

 

Your naivete is appalling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometime I wonder why you spend so much energy <defaming> my country with outlandish, uncorroborated supposedly proof. You think everyone is dumb here. or what????

Here read what PM Netanyahu stated in public.

PM: Without recognition, there will be no peace deal

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=15233

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: It would be "absurd" to expect Israel to recognize a nation state for the Palestinian people without reciprocal recognition of Israel as the nation state for the Jewish people.

~by : Shlomo Cesana, Yoni Hirsch, Mati Tuchfeld and Israel Hayom Staff


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at Monday's Likud-Beytenu faction meeting


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu criticized Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas on Monday for his refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Netanyahu's statements came after Abbas told The New York Times that Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state was "out of the question."


At a Likud-Beytenu faction meeting on Sunday, Netanyahu said. "[Abbas] knows that there will not be an agreement without recognition of the nation state of the Jewish people."


Netanyahu said it would be "absurd" to expect Israel to recognize a nation state for the Palestinian people without reciprocal recognition of Israel as the nation state for the Jewish people.


"Let's see if the same international actors who until now have put pressure on Israel will make clear to the Palestinian Authority what exactly will be the consequences for the Palestinians if there is no agreement," Netanyahu said. "Because, unless the Palestinians understand that they will pay a price if the talks fail, they will prefer to not continue the talks."


"No pressure will cause me to abandon the vital interests of the State of Israel, first and foremost the security of the citizens of Israel," Netanyahu said.


In a New York Times interview published on Sunday, Abbas presented his positions on security issues, saying that Israeli troops could remain in the territory of a Palestinian state for five years after the signing of a peace agreement. Abbas also said that an American-led NATO force could patrol a future Palestinian state indefinitely.


Abbas said the NATO force could stay "for a long time, and wherever they want, not only on the eastern borders, but also on the western borders, everywhere. The third party can stay. They can stay to reassure the Israelis, and to protect us."


"We will be demilitarized," Abbas said. "Do you think we have any illusion that we can have any security if the Israelis do not feel they have security?"


Abbas said the Palestinian state would not have its own army, but only a police force, meaning that the NATO force would be responsible for preventing weapons smuggling and terrorism.


Abbas also suggested that Israeli settlements could be phased out over the course of a timetable similar to his five-year proposal for the Israeli military withdrawal.


The current negotiations began on July 29, 2013, and were to take up to nine months, until April 29 this year. Abbas displayed some flexibility over this deadline.


"It's not a sacred date," Abbas said. "Suppose by the end of nine months we got something promising. Shall I stop? I will not stop. If, after nine months, we didn't get anything, if there is nothing on the horizon, we will stop."


Even if the negotiations fail, Abbas ruled out a return to violence "in my life, and if I have any more life in the future."


"I will never return to the armed struggle," Abbas said.


Abbas stuck to his intransigence on the issue of recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, saying it was "out of the question." Abbas mentioned that Jordan and Egypt were not asked to do so when they signed peace agreements with Israel.


Economy and Trade Minister Naftali Bennett (Habayit Hayehudi) responded on Monday to the Abbas interview, saying, "International forces are the last thing that will let us sleep peacefully."


"From Israeli history, we learn a very simple rule regarding international forces," Bennett said at a Habayit Hayehudi faction meeting. "When everything is calm, they are there. But as soon as you need them, they run away. This is what happened before the Six-Day War [in 1967] and also what happened over the years in Lebanon. I prefer to remain old-school -- only the Israel Defense Forces will protect our children."


In Washington on Monday, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki declined to predict when Kerry would present the framework peace proposal he has been formulating.


"I'm not going to make a prediction of the timing," Psaki said. "Obviously, this is something we're working hard on, but again, I don't think we expect this to be soon.


"The nine-month timeframe remains. Nothing has changed about that. The next step is a framework, but we haven't changed anything about our timeline. ... We have a bit of time between now and the end of April."

 

In exchange for Palestine recognizing Israel as a Jewish nation-state, what is Israel willing to offer?

Control of the Temple Mount?

Allow in 100,000 1st generation Palestinian refugees?

 

According to me and my party <NEITHER>... The Arabs are a minority of 20% of the Population, and should behave like a minority... if they do not like it... well they can move to the 21 Arab countries <CREATED> this past century for their <SELF DETERMINATION>... My friend you live in New York and you must have already heard that <ONE CANNOT HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO>...

No one would be allowed to undermine the <INTEGRITY> of my country under false, pretentious and anecdotal propaganda...
We are in control, it is a Jewish country and they are a minority and not the rulers here notwithstanding the B.S. they have engendered in history to the extreme fact that even <Jesus> was an Arab Palestinian.

Enough is enough already, in any other country in the world Mr. Abbas would have been eliminated or languishing in prison.

 

that's what they used to say to blacks in the American South.