On what basis do Christians claim that their god is "good"?

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were followers of Satan their reign of terror came to an end because of Catholics and friends who stood up against these evil. Anti God people will say and do anything to defend Satan.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Christians exposed the Satanism of pagans that is why they hate Christians.

    You would prefer to talk to 5th and or 6th graders because it is them that you can only trick, tempt and fool into to becoming anti God with your lies, deception and misinformation against well educated Christians your lies don't work and that is why we Christians have to teach our children the ethics of good and to be careful in accepting candies from strangers.
    Matthew 4:
    7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
    8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
    9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.”
    10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

    “‘You shall worship the Lord your God
    and him only shall you serve.’”
     
  3. TheBlackPearl

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    Here are some example of the religious "teach[ing] children the ethics of good and to be careful in accepting candies from strangers"and leaving more than 800 million dead.

    Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
    Algeria, 1992-
    Baha'is, 1848-54
    Bosnia, 1992-95
    Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
    Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
    Croatia, 1991-92
    English Civil War, 1642-46
    Holocaust, 1938-45
    Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
    India, 1992-2002
    India: Suttee & Thugs
    Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
    Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
    Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
    Jews, 1348
    Jonestown, 1978
    Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
    Molucca Is., 1999-
    Mongolia, 1937-39
    Northern Ireland, 1974-98
    Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
    St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
    Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
    Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
    Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
    Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
    Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
    Thirty Years War, 1618-48
    Tudor England
    Vietnam, 1800s
    Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
    Xhosa, 1857
    Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
    Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
    Al Qaeda, 1993-
    Crusades, 1095-1291
    Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
    Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
     
  4. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    What a carefully or maybe I should say deceptively worded thread ! How many followers of Jesus do you feel was on that list? By That means how many on that list followed the teachings of Jesus Christ? Near ZERO is the answer. I do not condone violence or war however I am certainly an ‘aggressive’ ‘ OTR/C Christian*. I am sure many of my Christian will take your bait and lash out against your taunting, sometimes uncivil comments. In any case God bless this forum and remember God ie GID loves you and I am trying to!

    REVA GLOSSARY, AKA PENDING TRADEMARKD WORDS (I HOPE) !!!

    * OTR/C Christian ie ; Open Theist Revolutionary/Conformist Christian… confusing eh? My word meaning a Christian that is much like a presumptive atheist but is a Christian. There are many differences but the short definition is a Christian that interprets some passages differently than traditional scholars etc. and a Christian that is somewhat militant.

    ** GID… Trade mark pending word that is the abbreviation; God (the) Intelligent Designer. Yes I believe in a creator God.



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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    A disclaimer since its been awhile !

    DISCLAIMER; I respect ALL belief systems and lifestyles. For example, even though I do not agree with the Gay lifestyle and personally think much of it is against the will of God (fruitful [lol no pun int.] and multiply) I respect their right(s) and quest to be happy. Just as Jesus did not condemn homosexuality in his entire ministry even one time, neither will I.


    Most haters are not really interested in reading truth. No most of them are interested only in hating, not learning or debating. If they really wanted to know the difficult questions raised in the bible I would teach and learn with them. Or if really interested they could Google any manner of sites that explain every question raised by the OT NT pro and con!!! No, sadly, most haters are only interested in hating and or pushing an agenda of anti-Christianity/religion/spirituality etc or other malicious endeavor. Of course there are haters for everything we can name and some things we shouldnt name lol. For example; , some Christians hate just as passionately as do other 'brownshirts'. The only thing I wonder why haters want to expose themselves in a public manner? As an old psyops guy I can I take a stab at it? (LoL)? The acting out in a public domain is to educate and motivate the non activist atheists to action. Is that correct?


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  6. taikoo

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    Feel the luv oozing out
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!!!

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  8. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    You forgot the most heinous and satanic of all; Hitler holocaust, USSR purging of Russia and the Balkans. Mao's cultural revolution, Pol Pot ethnic cleansing.
    And in all of that it would be Christians that will persevered and stand up against all these atrocities and in the end communist Europe will fall, Mao's China will embrace culture and Pol Pot Cambodia will be liberated.

    The people were promised good life, equality and justice by Stalin, Hitler,Mao, Pol Pot, Taliban and the people believe them and once they got into power the people were victimized because they mistakenly and innocently took and accept candies from them :(

    Oh, and thanks to the Crusades modern Europe was born.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't forget that the Catholic clergy also participated in and favored genocide during WWII.

    The Catholic Church loved to persecute and kill Jews and did it for over 1000 years.

    How so ?
     
  10. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Wrong not the Catholic church but some members of the church took sides and many Catholics priest, nuns and laypeople went out of their way put them selves at risk to save WWII victims from Nazi killers.

    The CC for the past 1000 years have officially and openly issue edicts against the persecution of Jews it is the anti Semites that love to go after the Jews.

    Oh, and thanks to the Crusades modern Europe was born
    With out the crusade this present modern world that we see it now will be none existence we will be living in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Afghanistan condition were women are not allowed to work, to drive, to have university education, no internet, etc. life and society as we know it today will be life back in 680 AD progress will come to a stand still. I know that you know this is a fact that without the crusade modern Europe will not have come about but because you have this blind hatred or anti Christian position that you turn a total blind eye to the facts of reality.

    How so? you may ask again just go and live in Muslim countries especially with your family and try to practice and spread your atheist view point and let us know how far you can go or survive.
     
  11. TheBlackPearl

    TheBlackPearl New Member

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    Hitler and Stalin were CATHOLICS. The others you mention are Buddhists. ALL of them were religious nuts. Christians can't stand their own history and so they lie constantly about it. They are so full of crap that even while they deny their history they brag about how wonderful it was "Oh, and thanks to the Crusades modern Europe was born"
     
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    Try if you can stomach it, to imagine what a country run by wanrens would be like
     
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    Hahahaha! Stalin wasn't catholic and Hitler sure wasn't a practicing christian. Hitler's right hand man was an atheist and responsible for the death camps.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Stalin&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

    LOL! I wonder why some would say Stalin was a Catholic? I haven't seen anything that says he was ever a Catholic. Stalin was an atheist and was wanting to get rid of religion.....yanno, like a lot of atheists these days....birds of a feather.
     
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    Just on your first sentence ... you claim to respect ALL beliefs. Could I clarify a couple of things? What do you mean when you say 'respect', exactly. Tolerate? (we all do that anyway, here in the west, so no trophy for you), or venerate? I'll take it you mean venerate, otherwise you'd not have made distinction of it. Working from there, this must mean you venerate the ManBoyLove (paeodophilia) movement, and Satanism, right? These are also 'beliefs', remember. Do I have that correct?

    Your second para is so caught up in this self-preening idea that we 'hate', that I can't even begin to address it rationally. You might want to look at your motivations, there.
     
  15. AboveAlpha

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    Funny how the vast majority of members of NAMBLA....National Man Boy Love Association are former or current Ministers, Priests and Reverends.

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  16. TheBlackPearl

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    No matter how many times you do it lying won't change the fact that Hitler and Stalin were CATHOLICS.
     
  17. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    For sure Hitler and Stalin were acting like atheist murdering thousands of Christians and Jews only Muslims were spared.
    Christians will stand up against Hitler and Stalin bring them down.
    Christians don't have to lie about history it is very clear atheist murdered anyone who refused to worship them or to give up God.
    Yes, thanks to the Crusade modern Europe was born and he are here expressing your freedom against Christians in Christian lands only in Christian land can you express such hatred.
     
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    Uhhhh....the NAZI's were basically 100% CHRISTIAN.

    In 1933, prior to the annexation of Austria into Germany, the Christian population of Germany was around 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic.[1] A German census in May 1939, completed more than six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% of Germans considered themselves Protestant, (including non-denominational Christians) and 40% considered themselves Catholic, with only 3.5% claiming to be neo-pagan "believers in God," and 1.5% atheists

    LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

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  19. TheBlackPearl

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    Christians are about as knowledgeable about history as they are, well... ANYTHING else!

    FACT: A survey done in Germany in the 1930's showed the country evenly divided among Catholics (like Hitler) and Protestants. With just about NOBODY else. To put that another way while Christians LIE about who did the killing for the Germans take the Christians out of the equation and there was almost NOBODY left in Germany other than a few Jews. Most of the SIX MILLION Jews who were MURDERED BY THE CHRISTIANS, (after 2000 years of Catholic and Protestant antisemitism) actually came from Poland and the other Soviet nations. Hitler insisted that he was continuing the work of Martin Luther. And you can easily see why after reading what follows.


    Thus spoke Martin Luther, founder of the Protestant faiths. Little wonder that his followers went and did it!
     
  20. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    And the Soviets were 100% atheist.

    Germans are Christians, Nazis are atheist or occult atheist.

    You are right DO SOME READING!!!

    Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

    "The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."


    Adolf Hitler was politically astute enough to maintain some public distance between himself and the Neo-Pagan ideologues of the Nazi Party. But he was not far from them at heart. After his death documentation became available showing that Hitler had approved grandiose plans to wean the German churches away from Christianity and into the Neo-Pagan fold. To quote Shirer in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich:

    "...under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, 'National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.'

    What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the 'National Reich Church' drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan...

    "The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.

    "The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably...the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800...

    "The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

    "The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...'"

    "On the altars there must be nothing but 'Mein Kampf' (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

    "On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika."

    (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William L. Shirer, p. 240 in some editions, p. 332 in others. Chapter headed "Triumph and Consolidation", subsection "The Persecution of the Christian Churches")


    An evil atheist is an evil atheist their primary goal is to bring down Christianity at all cost.
     
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    You're saying the mafia took down Hitler, stalin, and pol pot? Got any proof?

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    For there to be a satan, there has to be a christian. If one isn't a christian, then there is no satan. So pagans can't be satanists because it is make believe.
     
  22. WanRen

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    The atheist Nazis murdered millions + atheist Soviets murdered another million = millions and millions is less than a decade and they targeted Christians and Jews. Atheist and Muslims were spared because most of them allied and join Nazism 100% members of Nazi dreaded SS were all atheist they worship Hitler only not Jesus Christ. Many Christians and this include the Catholic church will work underground to save lives.

    Christians will save lives in the name of God.
    Atheist will save lives of their own only
    Christians will sacrifice themselves in the name of God
    Atheist will sacrifice others in their name
    Christians will kill in the name of God
    Atheist will kill in the name of their leader
     
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    The same God born of the jewish nation?
    Why does anyone need to interpret the inspired word of God? Isn't it proper to take the word as it is written?
    Or do you just want to start yet another religion with your own dogma?
     
  24. WanRen

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    Christians took down Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot while the mafia exploited the hard work of the Christians.

    There is Christian because of Satan. If there is no Christian there will only be Satan ravaging this world that is why God intervened with the great flood. Pagans are not atheist evil and wickedness is not make believe because Satan is real and Satan is very much anti Christian.
     
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    Well....let's see.

    Using LOGIC it would have to be said that GOD who supposedly created everything ALSO created SATAN...and as we all know Satan is Lucifer...an ARC ANGEL....brother to Michael, Gabriel, Rafael and another.

    Thus Lucifer is the SON OF GOD.

    Thus...GOD CREATED EVIL.

    That dirty SOB!!!

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