Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

Got Obamacare, can't find doctors

This happened to someone I know here. The doctors listed were all listed at one Medcheck and when calling to make an appointment, they had never heard of the doctors listed.

 

Sorry but changing the subject will not win any arguments for you.

If you would like to argue as a separate topic that you believe that only physicians who you already know the name of are somehow the only ones fit to practice medicine, please feel free to do so...elsewhere.

The question remains: what is this mysterious mechanism by which "Obamacare" is alleged to bring "death" and "destruction" to this world?

Please note that because it cannot be proved, concessions are also allowed.

 

Sorry but changing the subject will not win any arguments for you.

Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

 

I guess that means there are no other adults in the room. So what else is new?

 

this is what the Tea Party fears the most:








they fear the TRUTH

 

Dem Congressman on Obamacare: The Worst Is Yet to Come, It’s ‘Going to Hit the Fan’

Yep.

 

..and actually increasing deductibles to the point where insurance will never kick in.

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and is worth less than the paper it's printed on

 

HealthPocket says the average deductible in the pre-reform market was $3,589.

That's higher than the average deductible of a silver plan (which a large majority of people buying in the exchanges have chosen), gold plan, or platinum plan.

The final enrollment report from HHS isn't out, but if you use the distribution for plan selections as of the beginning of March, you find 18% chose a bronze, 63% chose silver (which are eligible for cost-sharing subsidies that bring the actual deductible down for lower-income enrollees), 11% chose gold, and 6% chose platinum. So using the averages in that HealthPocket link, the average premium in the exchanges (weighted by what people are actually buying) is more like $2,900. Ignoring the cost-sharing reductions that are lowering the silver plan deductible for many folks.

So forgive me if I'm not seeing the skyrocketing deductibles.

 

Maybe I caught a break, (private insurance) but my deductible is paid as a co-pay at the time of visit. I have this system in place so I don't pay anymore than $15 per visit. These new plans, the deductible is paid for all up front, requiring the purchaser to pay the total deductible before their co-pay kicks in.
Without my co-pay, a regular office visit is about $87. I would have to make 34 office calls before my co-pay would kick in under obocare. Most purchasers are going the cheapest route they can, and some still have yet to start paying. So, in essence, they are paying the cheapest, using subsidies to pay the balance of the premiums, and still cannot use their insurance.
But since no accurate details are forthcoming, we are left to speculate and give a second thought as to why those figures are not available, still yet.

 

Send me any worthless paper money you have. I will even pay postage.

 

sorry, using it for starting the wood stove....it makes great kindling and I don't have to spend money for it...but thanks just the same

 

Tea Party's worst nightmares have come true:



Ted Cruz's Worst Nightmare Is Coming True

Obamacare is working.




http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/04/obamacares-success-changes-everything-105914.html




Obamacare = a life saving victory for America!

 

who's going to pay for your healthcare once the middle class is gone?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-middle-class-jobs-are-vanishing-the-fastest/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business/121012/america-the-gutted-introduction
The middle class pays for 90% of the cost of running government. That includes Maobammycare
better start counting on mommy and daddy to cover yer insurance

 

Its American systemic you go to many EU nations the Middle Class grew in the middle to upper teens. There are sound reasons a stronger safety net, education is tracked and university educations low cost and in some cases free (in Denmark they pay students to go to school so they can focus on their studies this up through graduate level education if they can get into say Medical School). Here you go to even a State school and become a doctor it carries a lot of debt. And all have some kind of Federalized health care that covers everyone making them more healthy and therefore a burden off their shoulders.

I'm not saying Obamacare doesn't need reforming but why toss it out its at least addressing issues in health care we had for decades.

 

any accurate studies have yet to be examined because they [GOV] aren't releasing any numbers. No one has been honest enough to share those numbers with the public. So how is it determined that it has had any success at all?
Why did Sibelius quit her job if she had nothing to hide? Why did she not testify before congress?
I got a guess, because if the pubic knew how miserably it is going, they would toss all of them chair polishing bastards out of office, repubs and dems alike

Let's run dem der magical numbers again.....
30 million (the Libs claim) uninsured before Obamacare (right?)
Plus another 10,000 lost insurance (very conservative number)
Why, that's 40,000 people without insurance during the middle of a crisis (uninsured citizens)
Now, enrollment figures at 9.6 million signed up by the end of enrollment (I'll use that number because Obama sez so)
Why, that's 30.4 million that currently have no insurance AND are denied to purchase it until the end of the year. So your new law will be responsible for the deaths or medical cost of all these people for the next 7 months?
Now tell me again how, if Obocare is so freaking wonderful, why do we have a bigger mess than we had before? You just added 1/2 million more people to the list of uninsured. You can do math, right?
Nope,this is a dismal failure..........When 3/4 of the numbers remember 40 mil. read one way, not even you can change that. Just think of it, 3/4 of 40 million refused to signup. That is a loss for obocare, not a win

 

I think there is a problem with the math here. A problem with zeros perhaps.

 

ok, let's talk millions then........it doesn't change a damned thing. There are currently more than 30 million people without insurance and unable to purchase any until the end of the year.
and since you figured that out, the rest is gibberish

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04...n-sen-mary-landrieu-destroy-gop-opponent.html



The ACA Becomes a Democratic Weapon as Sen. Mary Landrieu Uses It to Destroy GOP Opponent


In the key state of Louisiana, Sen. Mary Landrieu isn’t running away from Obamacare. She is using the ACA as weapon to point out how Republicans who have health insurance deny it to others ... Sen. Landrieu’s comments represent the changing Democratic tactics on the ACA. Now that there is proof that the law is working and helping millions of people, Democrats can shift the healthcare debate to discussing what will happen if Republicans who want to repeal the law get their way.




Democrats now embrace ACA in their campaigns because it is working to save money and lives. That is what every real patriot wants for America.

 

Well, nobody said democrats weren't dumb.

 

You should also note that Obamacare is not living up to what the liar-in-chief claimed, millions are still without insurance, and millions have lost the plans that they liked.

My rate would not have gone up anywhere near double if Obamacare (ACA) was out of the picture.

 

* (name-calling redacted)

You've already lost your argument because you resorted to name-calling. But if you had been able to conduct yourself like an adult, it would still by your burden to back up those claims.

You appear to be claiming that the ACA has somehow failed because it's not a panacea. That's not news, as nothing in this imperfect world is. But if you had shown test of the ACA that promised panacea results, you would have had a point.

The only people who can make claims like that are the ones who own and operate insurance companies. I'll presume that you're not being dishonest here, and remind you that, as an insurance company under Deregulation, have enjoyed unprecedented privilege to charged people who are dependent on your product as much money as you can get from them, while also enjoying the ability to drop them without any just cause or fear of retribution.

So when you, the insurance company, have the gall and hypocricy to attack the ACA on the things that you have been doing with impunity for decades, my response is SHAME ON YOU! You are the reason why the ACA was created in the first place! Insurance was never a license to make money with zero risk. Needless to say, as an insurance company, you have the power to cut your premiums in half, which I'm sure has already been done.

 

The ACA forced a lot of insurance premiums to double due to the ACA requirements. You should already know this if you actually knew anything about Obamacare.

 

So you claim. And if it's true, then it is in the text of the ACA. Please show me where in the text of the ACA there is language that causes "insurance premiums to double". That's a pretty simple request, and I was kind enough to provide you with a convenient link to the text, although you're free to use any unaltered text that you choose.

(* name calling omitted)

Now now, no need to get petulant. Remember to use your indoor voice. And remember that I'm the one who you need to convince. Being rude to people is a good way to get them to walk away from you, and that causes you to lose your claim. Is that really what you want?

 

45,000 dead Americans every year thanks to Republican death panels does not constitute a bright idea.

 

All the Republican claims about Obamacare causing loss of coverage has been shown to be bogus:




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...nsurance-completely-overblown?detail=facebook



As one commentator writes,




Of course insurance policies got cancelled as the ACA was being implemented - because insurance companies are continually canceling and shifting policies anyway, and have done so for many, many years before the ACA was ever envisioned. At least now when their policies get cancelled, customers will have multiple options for replacement policies, most of which are much more affordable than anything they had before.