Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    Insurers Once on the Fence Plan to Join Health Exchanges in ’15


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/y...n-health-exchanges-in-15.html?ref=health&_r=0



    In a sign of the growing potential under the federal health care law, several insurers that have been sitting on the sidelines say they will sell policies on the new exchanges in the coming year, and others plan to expand their offerings to more states.

    “Insurers continue to see this as a good business opportunity,” said Larry Levitt, a health policy expert at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “They see it as an attractive market, with enrollment expected to ramp up in the second year.” Eight million people have signed up for coverage in 2014, and estimates put next year’s enrollment around 13 million.

    In New Hampshire, for example, where Anthem Blue Cross is the only insurer offering individual coverage on the state exchange, two other plans, both from Massachusetts, say they intend to offer policies next year. Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, a nonprofit insurer with 1.2 million members, said it expected to participate in the exchanges in both New Hampshire and Maine for the first time and to add Connecticut to the mix in 2016.

    UnitedHealth Group and Cigna, which were notable in their caution about the exchanges last year, are expected to enter more markets this year. In Washington State, United is among four new insurers that have told state regulators they are interested in offering plans in 2015.

    Cigna’s chief executive, David Cordani, said in an interview that the company’s “bias” was to expand beyond the five states where it now offers coverage on the exchanges. But he cautioned that the company, which sells plans mainly through large employers, would be selective about picking new markets. “We don’t see it as a land-grab opportunity,” he said.






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    Millions more to join in on ACA which is saving money and lives every day.


    Patriotic Americans rejoice. Republicans weep.
     
  2. misterveritis

    misterveritis Banned

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    In my opinion ACA is designed to end private insurance. Many people who had insurance are now enrolled in Medicaid thus transferring their costs to the taxpayers. This is a Marxist wealth redistribution scheme intended to leave the government in control of everyone's health care with the half of us who still pay taxes footing the ever increasing bill.

    We are doomed.
     
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    The average vets are not going onto the secret lists. Only the sick ones who will cost money end up on the preferred-parking-until-you-die list.

    Sometimes you just have to be told to take a pill.

    [video=youtube;rin4h4cRs6Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rin4h4cRs6Y[/video]

    Edited to remove a post that should have been stand-alone.

    Would this site's owners please hire someone to properly configure your site for you?
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Can you support that claim?
     
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    misterveritis Banned

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    Are you too lazy to listen to the news?

    The ones who died waiting were damaged, sick. Expensive. In my opinion parking the sick on secret lists was a means to save money. Just think of what is ahead for the Obamacare les miserables.
     
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    Who knows? Here is the allegation that is now being investigated:

    “The time is now. The place is Phoenix, Arizona where a message needs to be sent loud and clear to VA administrators and bureaucrats alike that the murder of our veterans for cash bonuses and career advancement will no longer be tolerated,” wrote Dr. Samuel Foote, who retired after spending nearly 25 years with the VA.

    Foote later took his claims to the media, then to Republican Rep. Jeff Miller, chairman of the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee, who announced the allegations at an April hearing.

    Foote says up to 40 veterans may have died while awaiting treatment at the Phoenix hospital and that staff, at the instruction of administrators, kept a secret list of patients waiting for appointments to hide delays in care. He believes administrators kept the off-the-books list to impress their bosses and get bonuses.

    “If you died on that list, they could just cross your name off and there was no trace that you’d ever been to the Phoenix VA,” Foote told The Associated Press. “As if you never existed. You’re just gone.”​

    Now fast forward to Obamacare in a decade. The secret lists may include a category. Democrats who can prove they vote for democrats will go to the head of the waiting list. Republicans will be parked until they die.
     
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    many of us KNEW this was coming, that Obocare was designed to fail. Here's the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Pelosi admitting it:

    Pelosi Admits Obamacare Is Flawed, Calls For Single-Payer ‘Fix’
    May 27, 2014 by Personal Liberty News Desk

    Just weeks ago, Democratic Representative Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) vowed that Obamacare would help her party achieve victory in the midterm elections. But now Pelosi is singing a different tune, suggesting that the law could be improved by switching the Nation to a single–payer system.
    [video=youtube;rGHLij3eohs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rGHLij3eohs[/video]

    Asked how the law could be improved, she responded:


    Many conservatives, including columnists for this publication, have long suspected that some Obamacare supporters actually want the law to fail to make way for a single-payer healthcare system.
    In December, Bob Livingston wrote:
    She was telling the truth when she said it would have to be passed BEFORE we could see what was inside..............damned communists.
     
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    http://personalliberty.com/pelosi-admits-obamacare-flawed-calls-single-payer-fix/
     
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    Probably anyone who was going to a hospital was sick. You have failed to demonstrate that estimated cost of care was a factor influencing who was on the lists. You have also failed to demonstrate that your opinion has any basis in fact.
     
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    Have you ever been to a hospital? Are you aware that people go to be treated for a variety of reasons? Do you think that people who could be quickly and inexpensively treated were placed on secret lists?
     
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    The VA hospitals give us a preview of the government-provided healthcare utopia we've been promised. Do you like what you see?

    The Inspector General's report reveals the problem is systemic throughout the VA, not just a few bad eggs in one place. The reason this happened is that any government-provided service has two real imperatives: winning at budgetary politics, and cutting costs. Delivering high quality service is secondary because the bureaucrats in charge have personal agendas that are not related to the public agenda. They're not rewarded for keeping people healthy. Rather, they play a game of insider politics concerned with budget allocations. Any student of management would have anticipated the VA scandal. When an organization sets incentives for its employees, it decides what their focus will be. Government bureaucracies are short of people who understand management. Anyone knowing this must be skeptical of proposals to create Utopia by centralizing essential services in such bureaucracies.
     
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    I worked for the V.A. hospital system in the mid, late 70's.
    There is nothing "new" here.
    Back then Max Cleland, Triple Amputee was appointed head of the V.A. and was gonna fix things.
    He visited a hospital and a nurse came forward and told him how they prepared a
    horse & donkey show for his visit and she was subsequently fired.

    I know some vets feel very, very good about the care they receive at the V.A.
    The solution is allowing vets the alternative of seeking medical care in the private sector.




    Moi :oldman:




    No :flagcanada:
     
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    So why didn't you raise an alarm in the 1970s?

    Just because you knew about this, why assume everyone knew? I assure you, most people didn't. You're not just using the left's favorite "nothing to see here folks, so move along" argument, are you? To defend Barack and the guys?

    Some people like everything. Think of the worst thing you can, partisans will always be able to find someone to speak well of it.

    Your idea of letting vets get medical care in the private sector is a good one, but it runs afoul of the left's working propositions about government: that government-run services are the most efficient, most economical, most caring, most public-spirited; that all this is so because they don't have to make a profit, and because they must answer to the public. That's all horse manure, of course.

    Institutions that don't have to make a profit can be as inefficient and uneconomical as they please. They really are for the profit of their staffs, who act to increase the annual budget allocations which pay their salaries and benefits. Since they don't have to please their patients to make money, they can be as uncaring and abusive as seems convenient. Why work hard? And of course, answering to politicians is hardly the same as answering to the public. If it were, the VA scandal could never have occurred.

    Competing for dollars in the free market is what keeps businesses honest. Institutions that live off tax money fed to them by politicians are largely insulated from the public. The whole edifice of left ideology that claims government bureaucracies are the ultimate caretakers of the public collapses before examples like the VA. That's why the left would wage a scorched-earth campaign to prevent veterans from receiving vouchers to get medical services where they wanted. It would be just like their bitter opposition to school vouchers. They don't care about veterans or children. They just want unlimited funding and unaccountable administrations for VA hospitals and "public" schools.
     
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    Let's be honest here. Obama doesn't really care about vets, Bush didn't really care about vets, and congress clearly doesn't care about vets. The issue is currently hot because the news media is on it. When the next issue arises the issue will be forgotten. Yes we will have a study on the issue and maybe some minor legislation but nothing will really change. Vets don't have enough voting power to get anything substantial done. And they definitely don't have enough money to influence the system.
     
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...ky-governor-challenges-McConnell-s-Kynect-lie


    Popular Kentucky governor challenges McConnell's Kynect lie


    Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear, the popular Democrat who spearheaded Kynect, the state's Obamacare implementation, fires back at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's claim that repealing Obamacare—also known as the Affordable Care Act, or ACA—is "unconnected" with Kynect.

    Now comes Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell's amended election-year promise, delivered as he's fighting for his political life: To rid the state of the ACA even while keeping all the good that "kynect" does.
    At best, of course, his promise represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the ironclad link between the ACA and "kynect." At worst, it's a blatant attempt to mislead Kentucky families for his political benefit.

    And not only does Beshear say McConnell is either clueless or a liar, but he makes it clear what Kentucky would lose if McConnell were to get his way:
    In fact, over 421,000 Kentuckians have signed up for health insurance through "kynect" -- about 75 percent of whom didn't previously have insurance and about 52 percent of whom were under age 35.






    More money and lives saved through ACA - Thank you Mr Obama!
     
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    Most of those 421,000 now are in Medicaid.
     
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    ACA or not McConnell needs to be defeated. Write in Bevin.
     
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