You guys need to watch this interview/documentary with an 11 yr old transgender

Don't waste your time. His mind is made up and he doesn't want facts to get in the way.

 

Are you going to actually back your claim up? Because I've provided several sources that say otherwise. Medical experts have known for years there are physical and observable differences between men and women brains. If a neuro expert were examining a brain and that brain had more white matter than average it would be a safe bet for that expert to say the brain came from a female human. Likewise if the brain had a higher than average gray matter count for males. What you're saying just isn't true. And it's pretty obvious based on your lack of sources.

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No because there is no difference in brains between races. There is differences between a male and female brain and they are differences that absolutely can be spotted.

 

No. There is no current test. It is a psychological issue diagnosed through talking with the patient and treated with hormone therapy. It's treated no differently than any other psychological issue.

 

If you truly believe that any grown man would honestly make an argument that homosexuals can have kids the exact same way as heterosexuals, than you're, well... nevermind (because I believe you're smarter than that, but why waste as this pride on such a trivial matter?).

 

Take as long as you need to formulate a response, Tex; I'm patient... and only too aware of how long it sometimes takes to put together a coherent response.

 

Wow, nobody has but many people think it's right. I was pointing out that I don't believe itis right. Follow the conversion of you really want to be part of it.

 

Thats what I said.

 

"All of these things have overlapping distributions." For instance while most males have more gray matter on average than females, NOT all do. At most withh a male and female brain on an examining table, medical science could make an educated guess as to the sex of the brain.
This reminds me of the much heralded "gay brain". All the headlines proclaimed

"Symmetry of Homosexual Brain Resembles That Of Opposite Sex, Swedish Study Finds".
"Gay Brain Structure Similar to Straight Opposite Sex"
"Homosexual brain resembles that of opposite sex"
"Scientists Link Brain Symmetry, Sexual Orientation",
"Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex"

What did the study actually show?

So 50% of the homosexual male brains resembled 52% of the heterosexual female brains, the other 50% DID NOT resemble those brains.
And 55% of the homosexual female brains resembled 56% of the heterosexual male brains. The other 45 % DID NOT resemble those brains. Thats the entire basis of this much heralded "gay brain". Would seem such biological factors at most have only the slightest influence on their choice. These aren't causes

 

YOU SAID they can look at MRIs and see different brain regions and from that they see sexual characteristics. YOU SAID they could tell? Now you say that they can't? The articles you posted talked about MRIs showing the differences, so why don't they test the kids with science instead of opinion?

 

When did I say they did?

 

No one claimed you had. You are an odd one.

 

If you aren't claiming I did, why are you talking to me about it?

 

I said scientists have discovered differences. Not that they've developed a test. A psychological examination is all that is necessary anyway.

 

I feel sorry for him. He needs to be helped to become comfortable with the sex that God gave him, not encouraged with his disordered thinking.

 

I asked you a question. You are an odd one.

 

Irrelevant question.

 

Directly relevant to YOUR statement quoted.

 

Yeah once I explained it you began your vapid double talk that I assume you think is clever.

 

Actually I answered the yes or no question for you as you could only supply vapid double talk without answering.

 

Oh, now we are going to play the "i am going to say what you say" game? Just yet another broken dull tool in the dysfunctional bag of tools you seem to bludgeoned every discussion to death with.

 

Who says? YOU? You are NOTHING, a big ZERO, nobody of authority to make such a decision. If they don't have any PROOF, no MEDICAL EVIDENCE, beyond a child just saying so, then this is child abuse. I feel so sad for these kids. Personally, I have counselled transgenders for disability benefits, WHY? Well of course, many are just totally fffck'd up! PERIOD! Mentally ill, physically, unnatuarally warped bu unecessary surgeries and hormones, etc. I'd want to do anything to try to avoid anybody going through that. In the end, they should have to suffer through age 18 and decide as adults if they really want that.

 

No. Not says me. Says medical and psychological experts on the subject. Who are you do disagree with them?

 

Taking cheap unsupported shots wont help your argument Joker. If you had bothered to check I haven't responded to anyone for the last 2 days because I've been busy so don't get so emotional just because I didn't respond to you in a manner you demanded. A quick check of my past posts would have saved me from having to explain this basic fact to you.

Its simply a matter of being accurate instead of self righteous. I'm glad you see that now.

Still waiting for you to answer my question:

Once again since you have admitted its a choice how can you then turn around the pretend you can limit this new civil right you have fabricated to be only enjoyed by 2 person adult homosexuals?

You are still confusing civil unions with gay marriage. Civil unions are for everyone. Gay marriage is for homosexuals and only 2 person adult homosexuals.

Its not the same logic. The same logic is supporting civil unions which your side and yes Joker it is your side doesn't support.

LOL They aren't. Not in the least. You side with gay marriage. It doesn't get any simplier.

It doesn't matter what your argument is for gay marriage. Its the fact you support it. I don't support gay marriage but I don't use a religious argument ever which is what many on my side use. That doesn't change the fact I dno't support gay marriage does it? Its no different than you. Not that complex.

Now please, lets get past the juvenile taunting of not getting back to you when you wanted and try to have a conversation here.

 

I answered this question in post #47 on this this thread, Please reread through our discussion if your absence has caused you to forget some of my key points.

In post #47, I wrote, "Same-sex marriage laws would allow even heterosexuals to marry people of the same sex." It's not a special privilege, and you have never explained to me why heterosexuals would not legally be allowed to partake in same-sex marriages.

You've also never offered any reasonable explanation for why you support civil rights for a person's choice of religion, but not their choice of sexuality.

You never addressed the fact I pointed out in post #41 that, and I quote, "Still now, of all the states that don't allow same-sex marriage, only one state offers civil unions that offer the same rights as marriage. Two states offer domestic partnerships that grant nearly all the same rights as marriage. The rest have no provisions for civil unions or domestic partnerships." I provided a link to support this information, also in post #41.

You dodged that point, though, made no comment about it whatsoever, and instead chose to highlight the fact that my viewpoint for civil unions is not indicative of the mainstream liberal viewpoint. I already knew that, though, so the comment was pretty much irrelevant to me.

And if there were a federal requirement that all civil unions must come with the exact same rights as those of traditional marriage, I would back out of the same-sex marriage debate immediately. The problem is, as I pointed out now twice in this discussion and supported with a link to the National Conference of State Legislatures, the majority of states still do not offer equivalent rights to civil union partnership and traditional marriages.

So you should be able to see that not everyone viewpoints are a carbon copy of their side's mainstream viewpoints. I can't be a representative of the whole liberal viewpoint on same-sex marriage. I can only speak for my own viewpoint, so it would be greatly appreciated (and maybe help to cut down on the juvenile taunting) if you didn't accuse me of dishonesty simply because I don't toe the liberal line on same-sex marriage.

Hahaha. Good advice, but I've read enough of your posts over the years, both to me and others, to know you give such advice better than you follow it.

 

what if they don't make it to 18? I have heard some parents simply break because they don't want to bury their children. What if they attempt suicide? What if they succeed? Will you feel better? These are normally the circumstances being dealt with.