You guys need to watch this interview/documentary with an 11 yr old transgender

Wheres the evidence that surgeries and hormones reduce suicide among transgenders? John Hopkins closed their sex reassignment clinic because they couldn't find any evidence there was any benefit to it.

 

Would it have to be same sex civil unions just for the gays to satisfy you or could it be civil unions for any two consenting adults who desire it? For instance the single mother and grandmother raisng their children/grandchildren together.
Austin recently went through a similar debate with city employee benefit packages. The gays demanded employee benefits available to spouses of employees be made available to gay couples in a committed relationship. The city instead made them available to any employee with any other consenting adult in a home with shared property and expenses. The gays fought to exclude any two people who could marry if they chose to, single man and woman. And fought to exclude two people closely related. In other words they wanted special treatment reserved for gay couples.

 

it normally is mentioned by the child to the parent

 

Ah, a self diagnosis. Usually such psychiatric determinations aren't made by the individual.

 

Yes but their input is normally crucial. Being that we can't read minds

 

Usually their input would be given to the psychiatrist treating the patient, not the parent. Psychiatrist evaluating the transgenders they have been treating at John Hopkins found no improvement in their psychiatric well being after reassignment surgery. .

 

so it makes no difference? Why be against it?

 

I didn't say I was against it. You whined about someone interfering with their choice, I asked who, and we determined that no one had. I just pointed out there isn't any evidence that is effective at improving the patients mental health.
With kids, Id say it makes about as much sense as giving a 12 yr old girl a tit job or pump a 12yr old boy with testosterone to help them with their body image problems.

 

but there isn't any that it doesn't.

How do you figure? There is no cutting involved.

Why would you do that their body naturally produces testosterone.

 

Pump a 12yr old boy with MORE testosterone to help them with their body image problems. Attracted to the irrelevant like a moth to a flame, arent you?

 

That would be fine by me, considering I'd also only support same-sex marriage if it would allow heterosexual people to partake in same-sex marriages.

 

The advocates for "gay marriage" disagree. Their version of "equality" requires that they be excluded. Otherwise it wouldn't be "gay marriage"

 

Really now? Who here has actually said they want to exclude heterosexuals from marrying people of the same sex? Who? Show us, or admit you are LYING.

 

To review for those who cant keep up,

The advocates for "gay marriage" disagree. Long with every single state with gay marriage. or do you need to "admit you are LYING"

 

Oh look, you couldn't find anyone here who has ever stated that they want to deny heterosexuals the right to marry someone of the same sex. Amazing. So you were lying.

 

This would be absolutely nothing like that. I asked you once he is it similar and then you just repeated the same bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Again, explain how this is at all the same thing?

 

Sure it is. Medical modification of the body so those being modified can deal with their body image issues.

 

No, that would be YOU who is lying. The single mother and grandmother are in fact heterosexuals of the same sex. Denied the right to marry in all 50 states.

 

??? OK, let's straighten this out. What people have SAID is that they would have no particular objection to these people getting married, but they would constitute a different case, irrelevant to what's being discussed on this forum. You made the claim that heterosexuals marrying members of the opposite sex were opposed by anyone. You were challenged to find a single instance. You failed. Pasithea pointed out that you failed. You accuse HER of lying!

Now, in a state that permits same-sex marriage, it would be interesting for your hypothetical mother and grandmother to apply for a marriage licence, get turned down, and then sue. I would like to see the detailed judicial explanation for upholding the denial, or overruling it, as the decision may be.

But in either case, you are (1) LYING (because you made a false claim and got caught), and (b) a COWARD for accusing those who caught you of lying by moving the goalposts.

But we have come to expect all of this from you. It's all you've got.

 

Incest marriage is totally irrelevant to gay marriage. A single mother and her grandfather could not get married either. Your scenario is completely irrelevant and pointless to this entire debate.

 

That's not even CLOSE to being the same as anyone here CLAIMING or even OUTRIGHT STATING that they oppose the idea of a mother and grandmother raising children from applying for a marriage license. Why must you lie? Maybe try being honest and coherent for a change.

 

As a suggestion, the instant he should start thinking clearly, his entire "argument" would vanish like dew in the sunshine.

 

in the case of a transgender they need the hormone that their body does not produce. Body image isn't really relevant.

 

I said "Denied the right to marry in all 50 states". Not denied by the simpletons on PF. Why do you CONSTANTLY lie.

 

Their body doesnt produce the hormone they want to bring about the body they desire in their image.