An Atheist view on life.

There are many reasons a person may become a Christians but once they are their motivations are their faith correct?

But they are all motivated by their faith right?

To be honest I'm still not sure which post you are referring to because you didn't quote it but it really doesn't matter. You said the post was making a blanket statement about all Christians without knowing their motivations but if their motivations are not their faith then they can't be considered Christians can they?

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Why are you in this forum, to convince people or to have a discussion? I responded to what you said, I asked questions and you refused to reply to any of it. In fact you just did it again with my last reply to you.

 

It's the reason for their faith that is being overlooked in this thread.

And the post that I was referring to was the image that was attached to the op.

 

When God sent Noah he was calling. When He Sent Abraham He was calling. When he sent Solomon He was calling. When he sent David He was calling. When He sent Jesus He was calling. And every time you hear the name of Jesus in the context of salvation He is calling. Perhaps the only difference between you and me is you’re not listening. You’re making that choice; God isn’t forcing you to.

What do you really expect God to do after all these years having people like you reject Him?

 

Ha God spoken to you the same way he spoke to Moses? Or does He not speak to you that way becaus you have rejected him?

 

I see.

Do you think the reasons for their faith vary in validity and meaning? If I may, what is the motivation for your faith?

 

I wasn’t there when God spoke to Moses. God exists in a different plane than we do. We call it the spiritual plane. Do I claim to know what or where this is? No! But it’s my thought that when it comes to this kind of thing God deals with us as a collective… we, the human race, have for too long rejected Him and it seems God isn’t going to communicate directly with us anymore. He did this for the last time with Jesus.

Let’s put this in a different perspective… You demand Obama see you in person because you want to confirm he is really the person he says he is. What is the likelihood Obama is going to give you any consideration for a visit? Now multiply this by some infinite number in the hierarchy of things; you really have a realistic expectation God is going to give you a visit? For one moment agree that God does exist. Then you know He is the creator of everything, the entire universe. All the intricacies down to the most minute detail of every aspect of our universe, to include the complexity of you very own body. Then couple that with you rejecting Him. You really feel you deserve a personal spot on God's calendar for a visit?

 

People choose to believe in god for different reasons. For some it could be a terrible tragedy that happened in their life that led them to their belief. For others it can be an unexplained miracle. Their's also much more mundane and simple answers for why some christians choose what they believe. In the end though you can't make a blanket statement like that and pretend it's true.

I'm agnostic.

 

Not act like child for starters.

Sure if you lived back in the day God was performing miracles and talking to people left and right but apparently he got tired of being so helpful. Today we are left with the heavy burden of believing in him on terrible and laughable evidence.

I'm sorry but you're not listening to God, you're listening to man tell you about God.

 

Well then... god is an egotistical bumbling idiot of a dictator who want's us to be liken to an ant colony tending to the needs of his collective, and can't be bothered with us little people since he is busy getting a few rounds of golf in....but wants us all to think he is here to save us from the evils of the world. Just like Obama.

It all makes sense to me now.

 

It may be putting words in peoples mouths to a certain extent but I don't see much within it that is absurdly inaccurate. Christianity is the belief that we are all sinners and need to be saved. I hear from theists on this forum all the time who think without God there is no grand purpose or meaning. They often reject materialism, they believe we have eternal souls and that our souls fate is determined by ones actions here on earth. They find comfort in the fact that God cares and that he will heal those who chose to believe, that God has a plan.

Where are the words one should consider a blanket statement that is inaccurate enough to get upset over?

 

Now you know what Einstein was thinking. I told you that you missed your calling. You should be a soothsayer and a prophet.

How are you on the variations?

 

Now you have contradicted yourself.

FIRST you claimed God wasn't speaking to us because we "rejected Him"...sometime recently apparently.

NOW you claim the last time God spoke to us....was 2000 years ago.

 

An interesting choice of words. Is that why you are here... to try to convince other that your view is right? I hope not because you will eventually get a massive headache from your head bouncing off of that wall. (Speaking from experience)

Many of us who reject Christianity have spent much time listening, in my case years, but because of perspective what a person hears will be interpreted in many different ways. It also needs to be noted that Christianity is much more than a word, its an action, and sadly often what those actions say to me are not positive. So do not fool yourself by saying that perhaps we are not listening... as I do not hear God's voice in my head I am left to read an ancient tome, listen to the words of Christians and observe how Christians put those words into action... and based on this draw my own conclusions of the God of Christianity.

 

Why should we believe other kids who claim that other kids claimed to have talked to dad?

 

I once created a thought experiment based on such an idea.

Imagine a huge poor orphanage, where there no adults and the orphans have to fend for themselves. And some of the orphans come up with a tale of "Daddy Warbucks"....an all-powerful, wealthy man....who adopts the orphans and takes them away to his mansion with lots of food and a playground. They even write a little coloring book to explain about "Daddy Warbucks" and what he is like and how to be a "good little kid" not a "bad little kid".

Now, nobody ever sees "Daddy Warbucks"....he never shows up at the Orphanage. He never calls on the telephone. Some of the kids claim they "hear him in their dreams"...but they can't prove it. (Sometimes they say the kids who DON'T hear Daddy in their dreams are "bad little kids").

And the orphans die at the onset of adolescence and theri bodies are shoved down the furnace shoot.....the orphans are told that at the bottom, the "good little kids" will be saved from the furnace by Daddy and he'll bring them back to life to go live at his mansion.

Little children coming up with stories for themselves and other little children to help assuage the pain and loneliness and sadness of living in the Orphanage.

 

Really the whole thing. It attaches an argument and opinion to a group of people and then you're supposed to act like any christian who differs from that slightly isn't really a christian. I find it dishonest at best.

 

I hope not....being among god's chosen youngsters almost guarantees that if they are a good looking kid they will be raped by a priest. I guess by that analysis a kid who is very ugly and undesirable would be the lucky one. Religion is a load of self serving horse schit! It's all it's ever been.

 

Thoughts in the mind are the way God speaks to us, as do the spirits of evil coming from the Freudian archetypes.
It is a mental thing that is happening.

Christians will say "God speaks to them," because they have thoughts they attribute to that source , which is inside their head.

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When God is talking to you, its source is the Unconscious mind, or Christ inside your head:


Revelation 21:4-5
And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically remember able, a continuum, we shall remember from one generation to the next living generation); and,
(in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (For we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), neither sorrow... (For we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past, flowers upon our genetic vine), nor crying,.. (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain, (as men will have neurological control, a self-hypnotic ability to stop the nerve signals to the brain),... for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away.
And he, (the Christ, the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind in their own Kingdom within), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (i.e.; words of Christ himself, who is the experiential presence of Truth in us, rational, the Unconscious mind), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).

 

there's the difference between your god and most dads. most dads would NEVER give up.

 

this - in bold - is the thing many theists have trouble with. it seems very difficult for them to think non-god-centrically. or rather, from a position where the idea of a god is no different to the idea of a unicorn, or a starship made of chocolate cake. they fall into the trap of thinking it's about god, when it's actually about them.

 

BOOM!

slam dunk, with sugar on top.

that one will be hiding under a rock, licking its bible.

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no, you didn't. what you saw was a spotlight shone directly on the awfulness of their dogma. smarts, I'll wager.

 

Ref. Post #43: If you're driving a car and you hear a voice in your head that tells you to let God do the driving, do not listen to it!

 

man up?

as a parent, I'd wait til forever, and then another forever.

 

You'd lose.

 

I like it

It demonstrates the very simple mechanics of the trick. Never stops being astonishing that adults fall for it.