An Atheist view on life.

That book was written in 1865, about 600 years after the Chinese first invented rockets. Do you think it's unusual that someone would imagine man one day riding a rocket to the moon?

 

no one here is likely to outright dismiss the possibility of some sort of god figure. but the chances of it being the very particular Babylonian/jewish tribal god you happen to subscribe to are about infinity to one. there is nothing humble about asserting that your personal preference for a god just HAPPENS to be the one which created all the universes.

 

lost a few kids to starvation, have you?

in other words, give me a break. you're not suffering especially because cancer. try working in palliative care AND nursing loved ones with the disease, then rethink your whining. how can you possibly think it's all part of a plan (especially for special folk like you) and still look at yourself in the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing mirror?

how do we handle the 'unfairness' of the world? we're grown ups. and when we're not being standing around supporting ourselves with our own spine, we get our hands dirty trying to right the wrongs. and we don't think like children - who are very fond of words like fair and unfair. you know why that is? because children are necessarily self-centred, and see anything which gets in their way as an affront. chew on that for a bit.

 

Not at all. your imaginings at the moment are simply that... imaginings. However, when the imagined thing is manifested, then you have something in which to compare the original imagined thing to so that the imagined thing can be checked for accuracy. The ancient story of Icarus who attempted to fly with wings like a bird, spurred the imaginations of others who eventually learned that manned flight was possible, however not likely in the fashion that Icarus was said to have attempted. Was it chance that led the Wright brothers to fly at Kittyhawk or was it determination spurred by imagination.

 

And it was near 100 years after the publishing of the book before the imaginative vision was manifested. If I had been living back in those days (150 years ago), I probably would have thought it unusual and probably would have thought it to be near maniacal. So the Chinese imagined and developed the first rocket, which might have spurred the imagination that has since led to intercontinental ballistic missiles; and the fuel that launched those first rockets made by the Chinese also spurred the imagination of others that led eventually to a device using a much more sophisticated fuel for a warhead that destroyed two of their neighboring countries cities with an aerial burst (Nagasaki and Hiroshima). Fire from the heavens... Do you think it unusual for people of the 'Bible' to have imagined such a thing as 'fire from the heavens'?

 

I can hardly believe you said that ...... Is there not even the SMALLEST part of you that understands the awfulness of what you're saying? we are making the comparison between your life and the lives of small children starving to death, remember. not only do you have the outrageous vanity to suggest that your suffering has weight (in comparison), but you manage - again - to completely disregard the awfulness of the idea that your 'suffering' is leant meaning by the deaths of the aforementioned. maybe your eagerness to bleat "I SUFFER TOO" prevented you from seeing the bigger picture?

 

So God only know's what believers will do or not do? If one doesn't believe in God, then there is nothing God knows? I agree.

Is it an admittance that God only rules the believers?

 

Just to add my two cents to this instant discussion: I see a small group of people within the economic sphere of the world controlling virtually all the money of the world ( I speak specifically about the IMF and its owners,, Rockefellers, and about 14 other family names) who have access to funding that would end such starvation. But because of their greed, lust for money and power, they close their eyes to such things as those starving children. Now, if you want to beat someone into the ground for not caring, direct it at the people who have the most accumulated wealth and do nothing.... except party and live lavishly.

 

Except christians have no clue what god wants one to speak to. They all have different interpretations of the bible.

 

What does it matter if God made it happen or Joe blow made it happen. It had to happen. No other choice.
If you know something is going to happen and it has to happen, nothing can change it, how is it free will. Even though there is an omnipotent being to stop it from happening and the same omniscient being know what will happen. Nothing ever, I repeat Never, can change. No matter how much free will there is.

 

More twisting and contorting the discussion, presenting more loaded questions, and not staying in context to the discussion. No, there is no such admission. God is the ultimate Sovereign. As the ultimate Sovereign, who do you suppose He rules?

 

I read what you wrote. It doesn't make sense. Yes, human logic. Can you cite where human souls will remember all things after the new world is started. I've seen scripture state it's a new world and a new beginning. So it's one's interpretation if one remembers the previous life.

So the book is only for christisans, is God, the jewish God, the muslim God, only for christians.

I thought God was for all humanity.

 

Do you believe in the existence of God? If not then why be concerned? If you do, then why make such challenges if you know otherwise to be true?

 

God has no power over the rich. Just sit back and watch.

 

Really? Do you have evidence that would amount to PROOF of that positive assertion?

 

Why do you only troll? What I believe is irrelevant.
Ask the person I posted to why the bible is only relevant to christians.

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read your post.

 

Well let me rephrase my question. Is the 'Bible' relevant to you?

Which one. I currently have over 20000.

 

Still irrelevant. I am asking the poster his views. And why.

Read them and get back to me which is relevant to the post.

 

NOW we're getting somewhere! A non-interfering god is NOT the god of Christianity. You're description is more of a Deist. That kind of god is much more understandable in the context of free will. The Christian god is described as a personal god. One who answers prayers and the such and is intimately involved in the Christian's daily affairs. Your deist god does make much more sense, even if you didn't understand it's not the god of the Bible.

Congrats!

BTW, after your posts on knowing that a ball will hit the ground when dropped, in the context of an all-powerful, all-knowing god, you shouldn't be telling others about their inane points. The ol' glass houses and tossing stones thing, ya' know.

 

I can't answer for crank, but I handle adversity with my own personal strength and that of my friends and family. You know, REAL things. That there is suffering and often it's random. And often from free will choices. HUMAN choices. Not some event pre-ordained by a supernatural being. There is no free will there.

The universe is neutral. It doesn't play favorites. And life, to me, is not some 2 bit parlor game of chance, where if you bet on the wrong god, you suffer for all eternity. What kind of a god is that?

 

Can't argue with that at all.

 

Then you are simply admitting that you are afraid to answer my question? Do you believe in the existence of God? Or Is the 'Bible' relevant to you?

 

Well thank you domer76.

 

I don't think religious people are any different. They congregate to listen to one another and draw strength from one another. The religious overtones function more like a cultural rallying point; a cultural symbol people recognize and feel an affinity for, like the flag.

 

Don't let it go to your head!