So Should We Round Up Christians?

Please quote me the verse in the Bible that states "kill all who don't believe as you do"?

instruction: "when you meet the unbelievers then strike off their necks (Quran) فإذالقيتمالذينكفروافضربالرقاب" as was his conviction to answer the call of Islam, to kill Americans and behead them as we forewarned last week in the ISIS Manifesto, which we begged all Americans to read, lock and load, and be ready.

What we warned about came and will continue till kingdom come. We are definitely entering the days when the ones who will behead you will be thinking that they are doing God a service. For two decades, I warned Americans "they will come to behead you" and "what part of kill do you not understand?"

Never assume "it could never happen to me or my children" or "this is in Syria and Iraq." It happened in conservative Oklahoma and the sooner you wake up the better.

This is what your government and your media prefers you do not see, this in not only an ISIS Manifesto, but stems from Islam itself as stated on page 5, of the Fatwa which should answer what every westerner asks: "Why chop off our heads?"

And as we stated on our previous report, the instructions circulate the social media calling for carrying out the fatwa to kill Americans using Ihsan "The act of kindness and charity" during the killing:


"It was shown in Sahih … the Prophet said "Allah wrote everything we need to know about Ihsan(kindness) so if you kill, perfect your killing and if you slaughter, perfect your slaughter and sharpen your blade and comfort your sacrifice" (also see Hadith Muslim 107/13)


And this is what they mean when they say that "Islam is a religion of mercy.

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You are quoting about instructions concerning a specific battle... You might want to read the whole Koran unless you like being deceived.

 

Not surprising. Things like statistics, facts, and anything more complex than a Democrat talking point seem to perplex you.

They wouldn't be able to do it alone. They need your help, which you'd gladly offer, in exchange for some votes.

 

I don't hear of supposedly Christians out to murder as many people as they can and say praise Jesus when they are doing it. I have yet to hear of a Christian church throwing out a member because he called on Christians to condemn people like the KKK of dragging their religion through the mud as I have with Muslims doing it.

 

If those are referring to specific battles, then where are the verses that are referring to everyday life?

 

Of course. The same would be true with any other book. The bhagitvad gita for hindus is false except when they agree with Christ. Then that part is true. The same would be true in Moby Dick or the quran or Dr. Seuss. The ultimate authority for a Christian is Jesus Christ.

Now how about you use some of Jesus' doctrine to show how evil Christianity is.

I have no problem using Muhammads doctrine to show how evil Islam is.

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Show me where Jesus Christ instructs you to bring harm upon ANY person for ANY reason whatsoever here on earth... even if it's for battle.

 

I am not going to recite the whole Koran for you.. Read it..

There are about a dozen references to the Golden Rule.

You might start with a websearch "Golden Rule in Islam".

 

Ummmm what. Why do you think I am making the comment I am. Perhaps you should read it since you obviously have not.
"KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

 

Im not aware of anyone predicting their success, but its their methods of advocacy that can be as bad as the goal itself. On the other hand, many Muslims believe their eventual rule over the entire world is ordained by Allah.

 

Eric Rudolf ring a bell? What about Timothy McVeigh? How about Army of God? And that is just in the United States where Christians were killing innocent people dealing with anti abortion only. . .

Then we have Christian violence in Nigeria, India, Northern Ireland, Norway, and other places.
This is more sectarian violence and religious extremism at its worst.

The point is that no religion has a corner on violence.

 

Muslim 1:149 - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

 

So...biographers prone to mistakes....autobiographers infallible?

 

I worry sometimes, but then I remember the law doesn't really stop you from doing whatever you want, it just punishes you after the fact. It's like any other situation where you make a valuation of [risk]x[hazard]

 

She probably means the whole thing.

How can you claim to understand something if you only read bits and pieces?

Also...Jihad....in the Islamic sense, means the struggle of Good and Evil within the human soul, not political warfare. The meaning, like most things, had become distorted as time went on.

 

I agree that she is a nut job, but at the same time, there are many in the Tea Party who agrees with her. They are just silent for now.

Second, how do you fight a war on a specific religion that has just as many variants as Christianity? There are extremist groups in every religion. If we want to fight extremism, then lets say we are fighting all extremism while defining what extremism is.

 

More like... it's easy to remember a teaching as opposed to what date it occurred on and in what order the events occurred. Which is exactly what one would expect.

 

Autobiographers are not good sources of accurate information. It basically amounts to self-testimony and even assuming they do mention some things bad about themselves, they would not mention damaging ones. You must remember, these are people promoting an agenda- whatever it is. How often do you sell things with truthful condemnations about its failings?

Aside from that, the entire thing is a second-hand account. The Christian faith was fractured 80+ ways before the Council of Nicea convened to settle on a singular interpretation. In this process, there were exclusions, inclusions, and revisions. This council occured, perhaps, about 2 - 300 years after the alleged life of Jesus.

Adding to this, the Bible was then further revised countless times as it passed hands between different peoples...in different times. Thus...the "King James Version".

 

You cannot quote a religious text unless you understand what that text originally means.

for instance, Jihad did not originally mean war against all non Muslims. That definition came out in the 14th century AD. If Jihand is used as a noun, as in this case, it literally means "struggle." How it is pronounce verbally would have different connotations. Thus, in this verse, it can mean practically anything from an internal struggle to an external struggle.

Cin Christianity, we have verses that we are not be of this world, but conformed to this world. If you look at the original greek, you would know that this is an intenral struggle we have between our faith and a place where people either reject or suspect our faith. Given the time of the Bool being written, must as when the Q'ran being written, we can see similarities. We get in trouble when we start defining what a verse means or does not mean when we take out the context of that verse at the time it was written.

 

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

 

Nonsense. First 26 of 52 uses of the term Jihad in the Bukharri Hadiths. You aren't "killed in the battle as a martyr" from a "struggle". "Horses" and "armor" arent needed for "struggles". "struggles" dont produce any "booty" for the victors.

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 505:
I asked the Prophet "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents" I again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 86:
The Prophet said, "No good deeds done on other days are superior to those done on these (first ten days of Dhul Hijja)." Then some companions of the Prophet said, "Not even Jihad?" He replied, "Not even Jihad, except that of a man who does it by putting himself and his property in danger (for Allah's sake) and does not return with any of those things."

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 547:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) ordered (a person) to collect Zakat, and that person returned and told him that Ibn Jamil, Khalid bin Al-Walid, and Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib had refused to give Zakat." The Prophet said, "What made Ibn Jamll refuse to give Zakat though he was a poor man, and was made wealthy by Allah and His Apostle ? But you are unfair in asking Zakat from Khalid as he is keeping his armor for Allah's Cause (for Jihad).

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."

Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.

Volume 3, Book 31, Number 121:
...So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from the gate of Jihad;

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles),

Volume 4, Book 51, Number 33:
When 'Umar got a piece of land in Khaibar, he came to the Prophet saying, "I have got a piece of land, better than which I have never got. So what do you advise me regarding it?" The Prophet said, "If you wish you can keep it as an endowment to be used for charitable purposes." So, 'Umar gave the land in charity (i.e. as an endowments on the condition that the land would neither be sold nor given as a present, nor bequeathed, (and its yield) would be used for the poor, the kinsmen, the emancipation of slaves, Jihad, and for guests and travelers; and its administrator could eat in a reasonable just manner, and he also could feed his friends without intending to be wealthy by its means."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 56:
,,,Later on it happened that she went out in the company of her husband 'Ubada bin As-Samit who went for Jihad and it was the first time the Muslims undertook a naval expedition led by Mu awiya.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, "There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." (See Hadith No. 42)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 81:
In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Talha did not fast because of the Jihad, but after the Prophet died I never saw him without fasting except on 'Id-ul-Fitr and 'Id-ul-Aclha.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85:
....He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95)
Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 87:
Allah's Apostle went towards the Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and saw the Emigrants and the Ansar digging in a very cold morning as they did not have slaves to do that for them. When he noticed their fatigue and hunger he said, "O Allah! The real life is that of the Here-after, (so please) forgive the Ansar and the Emigrants." In its reply the Emigrants and the Ansar said, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 88:
The Emigrants and the Ansar started digging the trench around Medina carrying the earth on their backs and saying, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will I carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 104:
The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or booty (in this world."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 112:
The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad)

 

It's like liberals saying they want to leave America. The number of Muslims blowing themselves up in minuscule compared to the number saying they want to.

 

So much misinformation.

First of all you would be correct if all we had was Matthew or Luke. But we have 4 different books written at four different times by four different people that, while they may contradict each other in time, place, date and order of event... they do not contradict each other in regards to the doctrines, teachings and examples set forth by Jesus Christ.

Second, The claims of the council of Nicea are irrelevant to the doctrines written in scripture.

Third, the NT that we have is almost identical to what was written ~325AD. So we know for 1700 it didn't change substantially. What makes you think we should assume the first 300 were different?

 

Don't stoop to their level.

 

I blame the Quran for the acts of thousands radical Muslims. I blame the leaders of Islam for the acts of thousands of radical Muslims. The Quran is a violent book that calls for violence. So does the Old Testament and both should all be burned to ashes

 

Seems only Democratic Party Marxists and Nazi leaders in the 20th Century placed people in concentration camps because of their race, religion or ethnic backgrounds. What comes to mind is Woody Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Josef Stalin and Hitler including Mao Zedong.