So Should We Round Up Christians?

First you state firearms will never be taken away from Americans then you claim there is a continueing threat.
Disconnect.

 

What about them./ Even the army's own engineers have said that McVeigh couldn't have done the damage to the building with the van and position that was presented.
http://www.greatdreams.com/mcveigh-patsy.htm
Why were the kids that were suppose to be killed at SandyHook singing at the Super Bowl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOizUIdRIpA&feature=player_detailpage
Lots of unanswered questions your heros have to answer.

 

The "threat" is a marketing tool, genius.

 

So democrats have a political strategy of creating panic buying among gun owners by introducing bills designed to erode our rights? Interesting premise, now go find me a democrat politician that would admit to it.
Tests put me at a mere borderline but thanks for the upgrade.

 

Do they.. or whenever there is some horrific killing spree do the conservative begin to accuse "the left" of being gun grabbers? I get so bored with such partisan hysteria.

 

The first hypocrisy uncovered was yours, in your bigotry establishing Islam in a nice neat little box of left and right, when Islam is defined by the observer and believer (of many religions and faiths irrespective of left and right) due to its inability to be easily defined. When a man asked Jesus what was needed for eternal life he according to Matthew 19 responded with a very simple set of rules that people of many diverse faiths and religions could follow, even an ancient humanist Greek philosopher or polytheistic Egyptian from ancient Egypt:

“16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

And even then Christians also have many diverse sects. The interpretation of Islam has almost nothing to do with left and right, unless of course the left is not open-minded to the imposed tyranny of bowing down with those who bow down.

Islam as some see it has a set of unchangeable laws, one last very final prophet, a God that does not speak to the heart; “all this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks, and that's all.”

Swim:

"[4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy."

Eat:

“Lands owned by society

This kind of lands is not salable. Even the State has no right to sell them. Lands developed and tilled by human hands and those which come under Muslim control consequent on jihad are considered to be the property of the Muslim society and none can purchase or sell even one metre thereof.“
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm

Make little sharks:

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

"(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)"

Does that remind you of Khal Drogo’s men?

“Rape is not an enemy but a technique of warfare -- political intimidation through the selective breeding of unarmed non-combatants.” (Zbigview Brznutski, Obama supporter)
(Terrorized by 'War on Rape' - Washingtonpurplethrobbingpost) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301613.html

“The President’s strategy is absolutely clear about the threat we face. Our enemy is not ‘terrorism’ because terrorism is but a tactic. Our enemy is not ‘terror’ because terror is a state of mind and as Americans we refuse to live in fear. Nor do we describe our enemy as ‘jihadists’ or ‘Islamists’ because jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenant of Islam, meaning to purify oneself or one’s community, and there is nothing holy or legitimate or Islamic about murdering innocent men, women and children.” (Remarks by Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism John Brennan at CSIS)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ecurity-and-counterterrorism-john-brennan-csi

"Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good"

Ethnic cleansing of purifying one’s community is a crime, even a “liberal” like you should understand that is not like the Golden Rule of loving one’s neighbor which comes first from Leviticus:

"34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God." http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19:34-35&version=KJV

Respond to it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=376315&p=1064317776#post1064317776

 

So this never happened? http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

Perhaps your boredom is related to the inability to grasp the information.

 

It would be wiser to become more informed about what that being of light guy of NDE fame is telling people….. Some Christians will realize that this fits very well with the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus.


http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

 

Also look at the trans atlantic so- called trade where it is estimated that 2 million alone died on the journey on european ships one of which was named 'jesus of lubeck' .

 

You mean like your Democrat president FDR did to the Japanese?

 

I think we are all blaming the wrong terrorist, the Latino's are the cause of almost half the total US Terrorist Incidents in the past 50 years.

 

The Muslims are the cause of most of the deaths at the hands of terrorists in the last 50 years.

 

That is a bit of an exaggeration, however there has been a lot of conflict as a result of the migration of European Zionists into Palestine.. Gad, they killed over 500 British peace keepers before statehood and destroyed several hundred Arab villages as well as Druze villages in the Golan Heights.

 

Your need to go back OVER 50 years, and to look to Israel is demonstrating my point, sooooooo not sure what it is you think is an exaggeration

 

LOLOL.. You made the asinine claim about Muslims, not I.

I find the idea of rounding up Christians as repugnant as rounding up Jews by the Nazis or the ongoing oppression of the Palestinians or Stalin's attempt to exterminate all the Chechens.

 

Karma Mechanic was not being serious, if you haven't already noticed.

 

How can you prove that the books you mention were actually written by the people you claim they were written by?

How can you prove that they were written when you say they were written? How do you know what was written in them?

Jesus died at 33AD. Even if what you are saying is true, that is 320 years. There are no surviving original documents. Aside from the fact that we already know the Bible has been reformed so many times, how can you prove that this or all parts of the NT are written with fidelity?

 

It really doesn't matter who they were written by as long as it wasn't the same person or people colluding with one another. It doesn't matter if Matthew's author was actually named Bashubah. It's irrelevant to the content. Now it WOULD be relevant if that's the ONLY book we had. But we have at least 4 books written by 4 different people at 4 different times that give an account of basically three years of Jesus' life and are without contradiction in regards to his teachings. That, in and of itself, if they were not colluding is self-evident.

Well we don't have an exact date but we have approximated some such as John which was written ~96AD and we have an example of that from 125AD which was 29years difference and the scripture we have in our bible is identical to the John 18 scripture that we found in 125AD. So if it hasn't changed in 1800 years, I don't anticipate it changed TOO much in the first 29.

And clearly we believe based partly upon faith. If I could prove God then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

According to what those books claim Jesus said they are NOT required for salvation, we do not pray to them or toward any black stone idol, we are NOT idolaters, we are not commanded to keep up their tyrant legislation and static covenant or government from the grave for all eternity, we do not kill people for using them as toilet paper, only the Holy Spirit is protected from condemnation because according to those books the Holy Spirit is our helper and NOT any particular book, according to the book of Matthew belief in them is NOT required for eternal life, we do not believe in a book, the books were not revealed, no heavenly hand touched them, we have no faith in a book, we believe they were inspired; inspiration is the byproduct of knowledge, and knowledge leads to all scripture being profitable for more thoughtful examination of what the Holy Spirit (an atheist’s conscience) tells us is right. We listen to the word, and it is not written down or “revealed”:

"[5.46] And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).
[5.47] And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
[5.66] And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
[5.68] Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people."

So those of us who are not ignorant read all scripture (something written), and in the process of not being ignorant of scripture (something written) we come closer to God whereas the other side orders people to bow down with those who bow down to tyranny:

“[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
[2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it).
[2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.”
“[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.”

“And when ye call to prayer they take it for a jest and sport. That is because they are a folk who understand not.” [5.58]

“(Mat 6:5) And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
(Mat 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
(Mat 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
(Mat 6: Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
(Mat 6:9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
(Mat 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
(Mat 6:11) Give us this day our daily bread.
(Mat 6:12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
(Mat 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”


Volume 1, Book 2, Number 48:
One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
"He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

You should be familiar with criminal tyranny, you probably voted for it:

“‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,’ said Hillary Clinton.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331806/incredible-shrinking-president-mark-steyn

“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

"’[T]he fact that society may find speech offensive is not a sufficient reason for suppressing it. Indeed, if it is the speaker's opinion that gives offense, that consequence is a reason for according it constitutional protection. [485 U.S. 46, 56] For it is a central tenet of the First Amendment that the government must remain neutral in the marketplace of ideas.’ Id., at 745-746.” http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=485&invol=46

“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." (Obama)

Translation: The future does not belong to science.

“Promote then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.” (Washington's Farewell Address 1796) http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

 

You don't have any proof of any of this. Nothing you've mentioned is self-evident. The point is, you are claiming consistency and fidelity, but you have no proof, no history, no written record or documentation to show for it. And this still goes alongside the fact that we already know the Bible has been rewritten in various ways, in various places.

Where's the proof of this? Where is the proof of the synchronicity of scripture over millenia? Where is the proof that the person who wrote it wrote it? These things do matter. You say these things were written by the witnesses, so it matters if it was the witnesses who actually wrote it. It matters if they wrote what happened or what they thought happened. Did they take the liberty of embellishing certain things...romanticizing some other things...removing disagreeable parts...and how would you know?

 

That's patently false. It is an impossibility for 4 people who are not colluding to provide a consistent ideology with one another as detailed as what is provided in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. It's impossible for them to be without contradiction in regards to Jesus' teaching without collusion.

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/

http://Bible.crosswalk.com

Compare away.

 

no? you bow down and worship a wooden cross that more often than not has cesare adorned all over it. that is idol worship at its finest.

 

No. We capitalize the first word and do not worship wood or any object on Earth, we pray toward nothing on Earth and when doing it right nobody sees it. Like I just quoted: "(Mat 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;" So you can stop lying now, or be called liar for your false witness.

 

You capitalise the first word has nothin to do with Christians who idolise the false messiah cesare, the pope's son, not the most highs. The irony of it is that apparently he was his illegitimate son also but I may need to verify that part

 

No one claims that Yeshua is Cesaer.