Jesus returns in 2017,,,,

Yes,I have read your replies now do you have a source pre 2008?

 

Read your science text book. Wings do NOT work in space. No one knows what an angel looks like. The paintings and such that exist are just the artists ideas, and many of them are beautiful ideas expressed as art.

reva

 

In a reply I said I do not necessarily agree with the Rabi etc. My entire thread was about 'signs' of the end times.(keyword; biblical end time signs, scripture, bible). I did not say any of the material was accurate etc. Nit picking is not a nice thing to do. It seems to me that the universe runs on uncertainty as in quantum mechanics. I think prophesies also depend on events etc that use uncertainty and other similar to QM particulars. We can't know absolutes because we don't know the all the variables. So, sadly not I, not you, not Jesus knows all those variables, only the father knows. However Jesus also said (words to the effect) 'when you see these things (the signs) the time draws nay (for the second coming).

reva

 

There is a big difference between not existing and being accurate. Do you now except that the Jubilee Prophecy is a lie, he never made it?

 

It is not nit picking WHEN YOUR ENTIRE THREAD IS BASED ON A PROPHECY NOT MADE UNTIL 2008!.

I can understand how frustrating it is when you find that you should've checked a prophecy was was not made until many years after the events it prophesies happened. I know that being Reverend you will be pleased that I had the time to discover the TRUTH for you. Fear not I will continue to verify your sources for you whenever time allows.

Ria

 

I don't take any of it the least bit more than rank superstition. Anyone who does needs professional help.

 

I do not dismiss Religion because it seems to me that Religion must have some evolutionary role since it is ubiquitous across ages geographical locations cultures etc. I believe Religion serves as a tool to manage the Existential anxiety inherent in the human condition which essentially is the condition faced by "Sarah Connor" a character in the movie "Terminator" who is being stalked by an omnipotent assassin Robot [ a role Arnold Schwarzenegger was born to play]. The way Religion protects its by providing a guiding reassuring Dogma of Beliefs that answer all of Life's questions and reassure one that "its all good" provided you follow the proscribed dogma. Its a double edged sword because Human Beings are by nature predators and the dogma used to relief Existential anxiety is also used to dupe and manipulate .
One needs to amass personal power by mindfulness to be able to confront the Existential human dilemma and through that personal power reconnect to source available to all regardless of race color creed or Religion or sexual orientation etc ...once reconnected to source worry and fear are moot and you are Free..... by the way "Freedom tastes of Reality "

 

As we noted on this forum enough times the Mayans did not say the world or time was ending.

They said it was the end of the old and beginning of the new Ba'aktun or 400 year cycle.

 

Rev cant really argue the 2017 date of the coming of the Messiah (the Christian's 2nd coming) except that would mean per Revelation that we are in the Tribulation right now---wars & rumors of wars but many of the disasters arent present.

I still believe (my 'best guess') based on types & shadows of the scriptures that it will be more like 2027-2030 (2000 yrs following the actual death & resurrection of Jesus Christ) per my earlier thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=187727&p=3922766#post3922766

But Obama is either a type or possibly THE coming Antichrist, as altho claiming to be a Christian, where in the NT does it say to lie and deceive---only the Quran allows such behavior to the infidel. If he becomes the UN President (aka, 'president of the World') following his last 4 yr term, that will be a definite 'tip off!'

Obama (is at minimum a 'type' of or THE Antichrist), besides operating in disingenuous weasel-wording his whole presidency, he is now being called 'lawless' for his EO to violate the Constitution and give amnesty to 5 million illegals (for a starter!).

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (quoted as the recorded words of Jesus Christ):

Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

And,

Daniel 11:21
In his place a despicable person will arise, on whom the honor of kingship has not been conferred, but he will come in a time of tranquility and seize the kingdom by intrigue.

intrigue-- To engage in secret or underhand schemes; plot

All of the above could just be 'another' antichrist (as Nero, Hitler, etc.). but if so close to the end times, ????????? If he does become UN President, what will the unbelievers say....apparently nothing as scripture says many will be deceived during those time as the saints are persecuted---for what? Calling him out?!!!!

This post is for you Rev, as I only expect mocking & scoffing from the unbelievers (includes Margot2 who never understood scriptural types & shadows altho they should be obvious to those who search & study them)

 

The antichrist persecutes Christians..... Any evidence that Obama persecutes Christians or are we just doing freestyle futuristic predictions?

 

Since writing this post, I started Googling "Obama + Antichrist" and found much 'speculation' in those regards.

Originally when a connection was made between the 2 when he was elected, I thought it was 'vain' speculation!

But then the scriptures point to a charismatic person, initially a 'man of peace' (Nobel Peace prize?) who has (& has shown) contempt for the nation of Israel, and whose true identity will be revealed 3 1/2 years into the Trib.

Again, if the 2nd coming is 2027-2033, he could just be another 'type' who is closer to the 2nd coming than his predecessors. But there is no doubt that he is a deceiver, a populist, and could easily sway the secular world into moving him toward UN President and a uniting leader of the world in the future.

Again, the Antichrist is a deceiver who draws the support of the world, and my 'guess' is that if Obama becomes UN Pres in the future following his 8 yrs of US Pres, that would be a definite tip off....only time will tell if all the prophecies line up as are appearing presently...

 

They used to speculate that JFK and the Pope were the anti-Christ.

I still laugh to tears when I remember Dubya claiming that he was fighting Gog and Magog..

 

The internal "logic" of this OP is the most telling thing.

RevA claims he is giving THE accurate date of the return of Christ....yet he also admits that the Scripture clearly says "No man knows" the date of the return of Christ....

And then says "Well, it's just a good guess"....but if it's an INACCURATE guess, we should ignore it and he loses credibility.

But...if it's an ACCURATE guess.....he's contradicting the Scripture, isn't he???

 

You are correct about Gog & Magog.

All the end times predictions that I have come across over the years has Gog & Magog around Armageddon---if you look at the progression of the scriptures, Gog & Magog are the armies on the earth FOLLOWING the Millennium when Satan is let back out.....

A lot of 'vain speculation' out there as you have stated...I'm not 'prophesying anything, but using the repetition of God's plan in the scriptures (such as was father Abraham sacrificing his son of the promise, Isaac).

At best just a 'watchman on the walls,' and as scripture says of those on the earth during those times, "you will not be caught unaware", but as knowing the "season"..

but of the day or hour,

Matthew 24:36 (KJV)

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

The blending of Obama Derangement Syndrome and Millenialism will prove interesting not just over the next 2 years....Look for calls from the Right (End Timers or not) that "Obama's gonna create a crises....declare martial law...and name himself President-for-Life"....

then it'll fade to a low boil after he leaves office in January 20th, 2017....only to be replaced when the next Democrat becomes President (I'm sure they can figure out a way to make Hillary the "female Anti-Christ" with enough kneading of the Scriptures. ).

 

I've learned to stay out of the Religion section as it is unprofitable and leads to contention, and scripture states that "the anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God."

My only responsibility is to 'present the scriptures' and try not to lead ppl astray, as admonished in James 3:1:

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

My original post was in response to the Rev who appears to be a man seeking truth and is open to such and NOT more of the dogma & doctrines of 'men.'

And as the future plays out, my words will be in remembrance to those who read them and possibly change their hard hearts........

Maranatha, yall.......

 

Well, I know enough of religion, to know, that once one invests himself with any belief, given to him by others, arguing with such a mind is fruitless. Hindus live their lives KNOWING their beliefs are correct, true. The same can be said of Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and the various denominations of Christianity. So, you are no different. Which one is correct? You do not know, but you sure believe yours is. Which is of no value at all. You will die, believing as you do, while self deceiving yourself for a lifetime.

Fundamentalism is the most ignorant of all religious beliefs. It was created in America. By dummies. It has no charm nor sophistication of other religious thought, and works better for the uneducated. And it is nothing more than a creation of men who want to believe their egos survive the death of the body. For they are fearful of their egos not surviving. They need a security blanket. But religion, in its truest sense, was never intended to give security to an ego which is an illusion. Religion in its truest sense was to deny, to negate the ego, so that man might be reconciled with God. And by doing so, he would be orderly inside himself, no psychological fears, no psychological suffering, and not sinning from the ego seeking gratification.

Fundamentalism is all about magic, fantasy, hocus pocus, and has no real point, for it can never change the consciousness of man. It's just a belief created by the brain, seeking security. A religion of children, not adults. At least the Gnostics had the right idea. But Gnosticism could never serve as a state religion of an evil empire. You needed your kind of religion for that.

You can toss these fundamentalist arguments towards me all you want. But they are pure tripe, creations of scared men who demand security for their own self images. Well sir, that ego dies and there is no belief that will change that. No matter how hard you argue. Which if you were actually a genuine follower of Christ you would already be aware of. So, go ahead and keep following Paul. The man who corrupted the Teachings, and who appointed himself an apostle in order to do that.

 

Excellent post.. You must have studied carefully.

 

OverDrive what does the Scripture say in Titus 3:2 ?

 

Anyone who invests himself in any belief, such as yours, given to him by others,
arguing with such mind is fruitless.

You're heavily indoctrinated in your dogma of intolerance and trying to have a
reasonable discussion with you is impossible. You also have been taught to
make up your own stories, which you think are facts, that don't have any supportive
evidence.

Try again? This time without making things up to fit you whims.

 

Titus 3:2

to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

This concept is VERY important in Islam.

 

Which also means that 90% of "Bible believing Christians" on this blog...are hypocrites...since they regularly speak evil and are quarrelsome.

 

Afraid so..............

 

Are you able to quote Titus 1:10-14 also? Or do you consider idle talk and deception a gentle act?

 

Perhaps you don't know the difference between idol talk and slander or the intolerance of one Christians towards another?

For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party.7 11 They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach