Bakery fined thousands after refusing to sell wedding cake to lesbian couple

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  1. sec

    sec Well-Known Member

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    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/...fusing-sell-wedding-cake-lesbian-couple030215

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    Laurel Bowman and her fiancée could get up to $150,000 (£99,300, €131,700) after being refused service in January 2013. -


    yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that correctly

    the homosexual couple could receive upward of $150,000 in compensation because a place would not create a cake for a homosexual event

    Do you really believe that these punitive measures by a leftist govt will cause good Christians to abandon their religion?

    Or, do you think this will strengthen the resolve of good people >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<
     
  2. Arxael

    Arxael Banned

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    It has to do with public accommodation laws that are on the books. If they sell a cake to the public, they have to sell the cake to all persons.

    The same thing would happen if the baker refused a interracial couple as well.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Not if the bakery was run by muslims.
     
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    Yes it would.
     
  5. sec

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    do you think $150,000 compensation to the homosexuals is sufficient to cover their "damages" ?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what ever happened to the Muslim hair stylist who refused to cut the hair of a gay woman? What was his penalty?
     
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    I am going to a Halal Super market, and demand they make me a Ham samich. Otherwise I will sue them for discrimination, how dare they take away my right as a none muslim to eat Ham samiches. This is an outrage, my personal liberties trump their religious convictions and their personal liberties. I was born loving ham samiches, they are hateful bigots for refusing me.
     
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    That is the one area I don't agree with. But then I don't agree with most amounts given to folks in lawsuits. If the purpose of the fine is to punish the company, that full amount shouldn't automatically go to people IMO.

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    You will only be able to sue IF they sell ham sandwiches to other folks and not you. Pretty simple concept, I'm guessing you don't understand anti-discrimination and public accommodation laws and how they are applied.
     
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    Nonsensical argument, but you know that already, don't you.
     
  10. sec

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    OK, then what amount of money do you feel would be sufficient compensation for not receiving a confection with homosexual themed words on it?

    Keep in mind that there are lots of other bakeries in the proximity and they paid zero money to the "offender"
     
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    They do make other sandwiches, but they seem to think my love of ham is sinful and preverse. They are anti Ham loving people.

    A church offers a particularservice where one man and one women get married, they do not offer gay marriages, its not on the menu. But gays want to force a business to change their offerings, so why cant I force Halal market to change their menus even if they think its immoral and wrong.
     
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    In all honesty, I don't think it warrants any compensation in that instance, only a fine that should be between the county, city or state and the bakery (however it works).
     
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    Na, democrats would support the muslims.
     
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    Different item then and you will not be able to sue.

    Ah but they don't just offer Christian weddings. They offered secular weddings as well to folks. See if they just did Christian or religious weddings they "might" be able to fight that. However, since they are not a church and offer services to the public, they have to offer it to everyone. They could have done a secular wedding as they had in the past.

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    The law applies to Muslims as well. Not going to deal with your partisan hackery comments that are nothing but BS. Go crank that (*)(*)(*)(*) elsewhere to some idiot anti-Muslim person that will buy it.
     
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    Youll see....
     
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    Whatever.
     
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    Hopefully, it is sufficient to alert vendors that they had better not engage in illegal discrimination.
     
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    What I see is Government creating and pitting classes of people against each other, in return the people seek more laws and regulation for the above mentioned classes. A nasty cycle.

    Everyone wants to be a somebody.

     
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    They understand them fully when they are the discriminated party. When it is directed towards someone else they don't like, or more to the point don't approve of, it falls back on, the business owner should be able to discriminate at will.
     
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    Interestingly, I see exacly the opposite. I see the government identifying one minority being singled out for second-class citizenry, and requiring them, one by one, to be treated just like everyone else. Everyone wishes to be treated equally in the US, not special treatment for some and not others due to accidents of birth. But people seem inclined to create out-groups, those who are clearly different and therefore inferior. Equality doesn't come naturally to humans, it seems.
     
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    Well, homosexuality isn't a "lifestyle", much less an alternate lifestyle. City life and country life are alternate lifestyles. Homosexuality is just plain perverse. So, forcing a business to participate in perverse conduct against the business owners consciences, would be a great injustice to the individuals. And since there are other bakers from which to choose. >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< If they can't find one....too bad. They can always bake their own cake.
     
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    We may give lip service to the notion that all men are created equal, but in practice, we defend our bigotry and prejudices jealously. And when our bigotry eventually results in another group added to the "don't discriminate against" list, we tend to wave our bibles and claim we are being wronged.
     
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    The entire premise of the two party scam.

    In any case, if you are a business open to the public, you DO NOT have a right to refuse service based on some imaginary 'I hate you' clause.

    ...AND the fine is ridiculous for the failure to follow the rules in this example. Refusing someone propane during winter months because you hate somebody might be justification to give such a large fine.
     
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    Correct. It's an innate orientation.

    Yep. So are being married or being single, being promiscuous or being monogamous, being a homebody or being an adventurer. Sexual orientation doesn't matter.

    So is being black, or left handed, or having a tin ear, or growing old.

    [quote[So, forcing a business to participate in perverse conduct against the business owners consciences, would be a great injustice to the individuals.[/quote]Let's haul out the violins to play pity music for the poor bigots, who have to obey this nasty old law that makes them treat everyone equally.

    We bigots DEMAND to be permitted to break the law in peace, because our conscience says so!
     
  25. JoeSixpack

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    True enough there.
     

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