Conversation with a Pastor

And neither did Jesus.

 

Yes I have. I disagree with his premise. Faith in and of itself is not virtuous. It depends on what you have faith in.

And it's an attack because the op is not about getting an answer to a question. It's about him mocking someone and their religion because they didn't give him the satisfactory answer he wanted.

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That's completely irrelevant in regards to the intent behind his op.

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For satan to exist would imply the God of Christianity and the bible is real.

 

Really? So not making worldly values important such as wealth, power, vanity, status, excessive devotion to self, honoring your father and mother, respecting your marriage, protecting and caring for nature, doing good works not in a boasting manner but because of faith, patience, kindness, obeying the laws of the land ,repentance, forgiving others as you have been forgiven.
So the above are tricks of Satan???

But you are right Satan is around...

primary motivation is destruction, his primary method is deception. Though he comes to destroy, he appears as an angel of light (see 2 Corinthians 11:14). He has been deceiving people since the Garden of Eden, when he convinced Adam and Eve to eat from the wrong tree.

Devil is a Tempter

One of the names given to the devil in the Bible is “the tempter” (see Matthew 4:3 and 1 Thessalonians 3:5). Satan works in conjunction with the world system and the sinful nature of man to constantly bring temptation into people’s lives. He wants to bring people into rebellion against God and agreement with himself.

Temptation is inevitable in this world so don’t be taken off guard when it happens. Like Jesus, we should be prepared to stand against temptation with the Word of God.

In John 10:10, Jesus referred to the devil as “the thief.” Satan loves to steal from people the things that God has intended for them. He steals joy, hope, life, love, health, and destiny.
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He robs the church of its inheritance and keeps people from entering into the promises of God. Many believers are not walking in the blessings of God, not realizing that the thief has robbed them.



Jesus also referred to the devil as a murderer, saying in John 8:44 that “he was a murderer from the beginning.” There is a destructive, hateful, and murderous nature about the devil. He delights in death. Whether it is through murder, suicide, drug overdose, abortion, sickness, or otherwise, Satan is a destroyer.

He certainly seeks to kill people, but also families, churches, dreams, and the list could go on.



The devil is not a creator; instead he takes what God has created and perverts it. A prime example of this is the area of sexuality. God created sex to be enjoyed by a husband and wife in the context of the marriage covenant. Satan has taken this gift of God and perverted it through promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, pornography, and other distortions.

Another example of the devil’s distortion is his counterfeiting of the power of God. You can be sure that Satan has a counterfeit for every genuine gift of the Holy Spirit. For example, the counterfeit of the gift of prophecy is occult divination; psychics, fortune-tellers astrologers, and false prophets are operating in a demonic spirit that mimics the true gift of prophecy.

At one time this all sounded a bit over the top to me too..... but its happening.

 

What was Jesus doing during Noah's Flood? Playing canasta with the Holy Spirit?

 

Why would you consider him a prick? I mean if it's not an attack or an insult then what's the problem?

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Jesus wasn't born yet.

 

Jesus didn't exist before he was born? While true....doesn't that undercut the idea of the Trinity?

 

Then surely households run by women would be much better those run by men; but of course only the mentally ill believe that.

 

That's correct. And Jesus never claims to be God. In fact he explicitly denied being God.

 

OTOH, "Before Abraham was, I am."

 

How many women have started war? The behaviour of women in those subjects you mention rarely lead to violence. Compare that to the violence between men who disagree. Suggest you look at the crime statistics in the US between men and women.

As to women. My personal life is not for discussion, but I guess I have more than enough experience over my 76 years to know women well enough.

As to reasons for not believing in god. Nothing in this world indicates the existence of a supreme being. The idea of there being supreme being came when men could not explain things around them, while today we can explain most things, and in the future may be able to explain all things scientifically.
Why Crank doesn't believe you will have to ask him.

 

And Jesus told you immediately preceding those scriptures that it was not him talking but it was God talking through him.

 

Have you read about the snake cults that were all over the ME , the Arabian peninsula, the Levant, Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley long before Genesis. The snake was venerated for wisdom and fertility and its ability to shed its skin and renew itself.

 

So there is no Trinity?

 

Here is more scripture justifying that position I took.

John 12:49 I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that his command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told me, so I speak.

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Not in the way you're implying. The father, the son and the holy spirit exists. But Jesus is the Son of God because of his obedience, not because of lineage.

 

Well, the poop question is easy--just shovel it overboard.......

That said, I'm Catholic, and the Noah's ark story is absurd. It's an allegory, not a thing that actually happened. It teaches us about all the second chances we are given by God, and that human nature is not to go by them. It also is supposed to reinforce that all mankind is related.

 

But, Jesus is, if slightly, INFERIOR to God?

 

That was an issue for me....I asked how 7 people could shovel the poop of a million animals.

 

Of course. Everyone is inferior to God.

 

We have no way of knowing, but perhaps it's noteworthy that Hitler was extremely attached to his mother.

Suggest you look at the crime statistics WRT black males, who are far more likely than white males to be reared by women alone.

Knowledge is not a synonym for understanding.

What does that have to do with what He was doing during the Flood?

 

Noah used the bio-gas produced from animal manure to power the Ark's inboard diesel engines.

 

Fine, fine...just checking to make sure I understood you correctly.

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Some people have run the numbers. 8 adults (Noah, wife, 3 sons, 3 daughters-in-law).....trying to feed, water, muck stalls, etc. for even a few weeks....

would have to be on something like 22-28 hour a day call, all 8 of them simultaneously, to take care of even the "low-ball" number of animals that would have to be on the Ark. No rest, no sleep...barely time to grab a bite to eat themselves.

 

Because Jesus wasn't telling you that he was a living entity that's been around forever in those scriptures. Ergo he wasn't around during the flood.

 

Females have lower arrest rates than males for virtually all crime categories except prostitution. This is true in all countries for which data are available. It is true for all racial and ethnic groups, and for every historical period. In the United States, women constitute less than 20 percent of arrests for most crime categories.

Females have even lower representation than males do in serious crime categories. Since the 1960s in the United States, the extent of female arrests has generally been less than 15 percent for homicide and aggravated assault, and less than 10 percent for the serious property crimes of burglary and robbery.

 

Noah's ark and the flood event are referenced in the New Testatment. Catholic doctirne is to believe that Noah was real and the flood occurred. However it is believed to have been a local event. The metaphor of the Flood and the Ark is to be alert and prepared for God's judgment in death.
The Ark representing salvation from the Flood, representing death and judgment by God.

Matthew 24:37-39 'As it was in Noah's day, so will it be when the Son of man comes. For in those days before the Flood people were eating, drinking, taking wives, taking husbands, right up to the day Noah went into the ark, and they suspected nothing till the Flood came and swept them all away. This is what it will be like when the Son of man comes.

 

Prove it.

Then what was He telling me with that claim, exactly?

Evidently you've somehow gotten the impression that mindless repetition makes for interesting conversation.