Are we heading for a civil war?

...the reason it can happen, is you don't have to be geografical to have a "civil" war.... tha War between the States wasn't a civil war,It was the war Of Northern Agression...A Civil wars come from the civilian population fighting from pillar to post...Like when the French overthough the Monarchy!....the Monarchy of OBONZO will cause this rift!...Nothing to do with slavery....only bad government...

 

Yes civil unrest leads to civil war... All civil wars were due to civil unrest.

The real question is war against whom? The majority of the military will never take up arms against the people, especially libertarians.

IMO, a libertarian coup d'état would be more likely.

I guarantee this - If Obama (or any president) abandoned presidential term limits a coup would be almost automatic.

 

A libertarian coup d'état? That seems least likely. I would think a Scientology coup more likely than one by libertarians.

 

I don't know how or why you believe that.

The only party that would even think about a coup would be libertarians, being a libertarian myself it would be our duty if our government got too extreme.

These days libertarians are basically the guardians of the founding documents. If some had it their way they would burn the documents.

 

These things can also lead to positive change through nonviolent action.

 

American history is still relatively young. We may in fact have a coup d'état in our future. But I doubt it will be by libertarians.

 

Libertarians are the only ones capable of doing it...

Progressive socialists don't even like guns, and Republicans wouldn't do anything, however they would certainly ride the coattails of libertarians in a coup.

Remember Clyde Bundy?

Libertarians were there face to face with the feds, and the feds were massively outnumbered... They retreated because the classical liberals were dead serious in that standoff...

That right there is more than any political group has accomplished in recent memory when it comes to individuals standing up for their rights.

The feds tried to steal Bundy's property and a bunch of gun toting patriots told the feds to go (*)(*)(*)(*) off and they did.

 

Progressive socialists have plenty of guns. They have the entire US Military at their disposal.

Progressive socialists don't want you to have guns.

Besides, a coup isn't going to be pulled off by the yahoos who for some reason supported Clyde Bundy. A coup is done by insiders.

 

Progressives have about a 1/3 of the military, the others would NEVER raise arms against libertarians.. The military is about 66% conservative and libertarian. If anything the libertarians would join the coup.

Few progressives have guns - all libertarians (at least 95%) have guns a strong majority of conservatives have guns.

Yeah, coups are generally military and who represents the military? oh yea libertarians and conservatives.

Also, you do realize those "yahoo's" at Bundy's ranch were for the most part ex-military just like a large population of the libertarian party.

Progressives are generally opposed to both guns and the military....

 

Well let me know when the coup happens, although I suppose it might make the papers...

Still, won't those ex-military be surprised with the Libertarian Junta eliminates the military!

 

I'm not advocating a coup however it is possible. The founding of this nation was a coup - we told the Brits to go (*)(*)(*)(*) off and beat them back to Briton and into Canada.

The libertarians and classical liberals (conservatives) would just flip sides... They won't fight against US citizens - that would be against their oath anyway.

The domestic enemies are those conspiring and aspiring to overturn freedom and manifest an authoritarian government and they're presently the government. So you can save the "foreign and domestic" line.

 

FYI, it is a violation of the rules of this forum to advocate for the violent overthrow of our govt.

 

I never advocated it...

We're talking about who is "most likely" - furthermore I never advocated a coup.

I suppose this debate is about who has the balls to do it and who would fight against it.

Also I must say, you should really assert that one could get a warning for threatening violence - not for being anti government or even talking about scenario's in which a revolution may occur and by whom.

 

Well I think you could argue that the coup already happened. President Obama decided to ignore the law and Constitution and calculated no one would stop him, and he was right.

And where where the libertarians? Worrying about getting pot legalized.

 

IMO as a person who is not a resident of the US I personally cannot see a civil war ever happening again in the US it would be an economic suicide for one.

The problem as I see it is your lack of political alternatives, you basically have a two party system with no party taking the "middle" line.

Your Republicans follow a right-wing ideology, while you Democrats follow a left-wing ideology, there is no real centre party that wields any power.

 

Anything is possible....in todays unrest in our nation,we have reverted to mob rule....Ferguson is a prime example...I f the Federal Government keeps the mob rule intact(caused by civil unrest) ....it will be much easier to keep people informed of the Nations problems out in the fore front through social media such as we have today..This knowledge will cause a civil revolt....Will our troops fire on civilians?....I think hey will...and if that happens.. WAR!!!

 

I doubt that it will be any organized "side" vs another side, but I'd say that chaos is inevitable at this point. It's just a question of how soon, how bad, and what sets it off. I"m fairly certain that a general seizure attempt on guns would start it, perhaps even the signing of such legislation and any attempt at enforcing it will cause the flames to erupt.

 

You have no clue, the {R}'s and {D}'s are actually on the same side but play a dog and pony show for the public so they think they are divided. The public have no one fighting for them because they don't realize that in order for them to have a voice they must invest in a lobbyist to be their voice. The only voices politicians are hearing are from corporations that fund them.

 

the intelligent way to fight such a war is the way John Ross pointed out in UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. Targeted assassinations of key people, whose jobs won't let them run and hide. They are easily found, easily tracked to their homes. Then that info is published on the Net, and Nature takes its course. With that job being so high risk, thousands resign from it. Without his thugs, Big Brother can do nothing.

 

A few want one, so they can turn this nation into a fascism. A few of those will argue that it already is, but if they were allowed to start a civil war in this country and actually won, this nation would turn into a fascism, and there would be no justice for anyone who didn't tow the party line. Those who can work, would work till they died, those who could not work would die.

The people that want a civil war aren't interested in freedom, they are interested in complete control. They aren't interested in equal rights, but to squash the rights of others under their boot heel.

Don't let those that want a civil war fool you, they aren't about freedom, but fascism.

 

Next civil war will be an "uncivil" war, since I'm afraid it will not be fought in civil manners.

From an European perspective, I don't think to something generalized for real, the United States have known periods of higher tense and more frequent unrest [think to the 60's ...]. I think more to localize mass rebellions, in the suburbs of the great cities. Nothing more than that.

 

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am, that does not make you right any more than it makes me wrong.

 

IMO we are the closest we have ever been to it.

 

I agree, Hudson. I think someone put this guy in Charleston up to killing the people in that church. I'm afraid other incidents will follow. What do you think?

 

The Whites who want a civil war think it will benefit them somehow. They believe they will win quickly due to their greater numbers. They are not thinking ahead. What about AFTER the war? What kind of country will this be? Will it be fit to live in for anybody? Sometimes these thoughts worry me. But, it's all in the Lord's hands. He is still in control.