False Flag operations

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  1. ballantine

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    Please refer to post #74.

    And Oswald killed Kennedy, and Sirhan shot Bobby, and Benghazi happened because of a video.

    Sheeple...
     
  2. Dayton3

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    I resent being referred to as a "Sheeple".

    There is overwhelming physical evidence that Oswald killed JFK and that Sirhan killed RFK.

    As for Benghazi, not even Hillary Clinton believes the ridiculous video story.

    At any rate, in general, the simplest solution is the correct one and conspiracies are very seldom "simple".
     
  3. ballantine

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    If the shoe fits...

    See? You're operating from a position of complete ignorance.

    The only people who have EVER said that, in an official capacity, are the Warren Commission.

    Every other investigative body EVER, concluded that there was a conspiracy.

    And if you're not completely ignorant of history, you should understand that the Warren Commission itself was a "false flag operation". Its members admitted as much, publicly and on the record. The chief counsel is on record as saying, "our purpose is to convince the American public beyond any shadow of a doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone shooter".

    But you speak of physical evidence.

    There is NONE. There is not one single piece of physical evidence linking Lee Harvey Oswald to the assassination of John F Kennedy. Not one.

    In fact, Lee Harvey Oswald passed not one not two but three paraffin tests. He never even fired a rifle, at all, that day.

    Okay, that's enough. Your credentials have been established.

    Please refer to post #74. :)
     
  4. ballantine

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    Would you like a starting point?

    I'll give you four, for free.

    1. Lee Harvey Oswald's fingerprints were all over the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository, because he worked there. However Malcolm Wallace did not work there, and there is a 14-point match to his fingerprint on one of the boxes in the sniper's nest. Malcolm Wallace was Lyndon Johnson's personal hit man. http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallaceM.htm

    2. There were more than three shots. Are you familiar with the "Magic Bullet Theory"? Study its history. It only became necessary when the James Tague story went public. Before that, the Warren Commission thought they had it all figured out. There were multiple shooters, and multiple angles. Here is a picture of one of the shots. Notice that it's from the front, not the back.

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    See the car parked under the overcrossing there? Interesting, eh?

    Google "puff of smoke jfk", and click on "images". There's your shots.

    3. This:

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    The man on the left is Allen Dulles, you know who he is. Next to him is Gen Edward Lansdale, and next to him on the right is Gen Cabell (his brother was the mayor of Dallas, in charge of the Dallas PD), and on the right is Nathan Twining.

    I'll give you the single name these men have in common: Nelson Rockefeller. He was Tracey Barnes' uncle, and Gerald Ford's vice president.

    4. There is currently an ongoing FOIA lawsuit against the CIA, over documents pertaining to a propaganda expert named Joannides. He's the one who was apparently "running" Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/top-6-jfk-files-the-cia-still-keeps-secret/#more-6804
     
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    Flag should have been up-side-down ever since Citizens United.
     
  6. Dayton3

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    Coincidence isn't evidence Ballantine. And cynicism doesn't infer open minded thinking or enlightenment. Rockefeller having connections to a vast number of political and military persons means nothing. George H.W. Bush does as well. So do many others IIRC.

    I'm familiar with the so called "magic bullet". That being the reference to the one bullet that initially wounded JFK and Governor Connally. There has been no physical evidence presented of more than three shots fired and all of those can be directly linked to Lee Harvey Oswald.
     
  7. Questerr

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    People voted for a Senator.
     
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    Actually I would go as far to say that there is really no WWII. WWII is just an extension of the Great War. With historical perspective it will be seen this way. That being said the official war began when France and Britain declared war on Germany at least in Europe yes but the actual shooting war began with the annexation of Czechoslovakia in March '39.
     
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    I disagree. The true shooting war started in March with the annexation of Czechoslovakia.

    That being said the attack on the German radio station is prime examples of the ridiculous nature of false flag operations. They are generally, ill-conceived, poorly planned and even more poorly executed.

    I find it hilarious that the usually the biggest false-flag conspiracy theorists are also people who believe how incompetent the government is at governing. They want their cake and eat it too. They would suggest that a government that has trouble launching a website is capable of planning, executing and keeping secret an attack on elementary school. Or they would have us believe that a government that cannot respond to competently to a major catastrophe can plan, execute and keep secret the single largest attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor.

    Non-sequitur anyone?
     
  10. garyd

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    Well not exactly in both cases. Had Versailles been less insane and less punitive we might have avoided virtually all the nastiness of the thirties and twenties and quite possible even avoided the Great Depression and the protectionist trade treaties that brought it on and thereby have avoided anyone ever hearing of Adolph Hitler.
     
  11. Moriah

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    What about the shot that nicked James Craig who was standing near the triple overpass? THAT bullet couldn't have came from Oswald. I heard a theory that said there were 3 shooting teams in Dealy Plaza that day. They all shot at the motorcade at the same time. Bullets were coming from 3 different directions. Poor JFK didn't have a chance.
     
  12. Moriah

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    Have you read the manifesto of Dylann Storm Roof? I don't believe he wrote this by himself. I think he was a set-up. Until I can see evidence that he wasn't a set-up, that is what I'm going to believe.
     
  13. contrails

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    Proof?

    With your dull wit? Not hardly.

    Affirmative Action programs and SAT scores are great for getting you into college, but have nothing to do with how you perform once you're there. Graduating manga cum laude, on the other hand, is determined solely by one's performance. Care to try again?
     
  14. Dayton3

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    Twenty years of studying history, ten years of teaching it and I've never heard a word about someone called James Craig?

    Can you link to an unbiased source so I can read more about him?
     
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    They voted for a community organizer who has a hidden past.
     
  16. Gorn Captain

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    "False flag" is a way for people of various political stripes to explain why something "bad" or embarrassing to THEIR side of the political aisle occurred or to explain some "secret agenda" of their opposition that resulted in something.

    9/11 Truthers consider 9/11 to be a "false flag" for Dubya's war in Iraq.

    The nuttier Gun Fetishists consider mass shootings to be "false flags" for plans to "confiscate their guns."
     
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    Obama still refuses to release his college transcripts, why ???
     
  18. Mineva

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    False Flag is not a belief, its fact used for many years. Probably even in the most ancient times people were performing false flags.
     
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    Why should he? Your college transcripts are also private.

    The Lavon Affair, the bombing of the King George Hotel, the bombing of the SS Patria and the attack on the USS Liberty were false flags ops.
     
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    Back during when I was attending college they weren't private. I remember you could walk into the admissions office at UCLB and they were there for anyone to look at.

    I lost track on how many times I had to provide my college transcripts to get a job.

    I require applicants who are apply for a position in my business to provide a copy of their college transcripts. When I'm hiring an electrical engineer I want to know that BS in engineering is for electrical and not hydraulics engineering.
     
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    Yes... your transcripts were private and couldn't NOT be released without your consent.
     
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    So Obama was never a senator? Or you are claiming he was a community organizer more recently than a Senator?

    Was Reagan just a cowboy actor who took the cowardly route to stay out of war?
     
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    Back during the early 70's they weren't private but they are today.

    It's like military records, the DD-214 is public but the rest of ones SRB can only be released with permission. As you may remember, G.W. Bush released his military records (SRB) and John Kerry refused to, but his DD-214 was public so we were able to see that but nothing more. Kerry still can't explain why Reagan's Secretary of the Navy John Lehman's signature is on his discharge certificate. I think I know why and that's why Kerry refused to release his entire SRB.

    Remember the Minutemen who were on the border back in 2006 and brought all illegal tafficking to a halt where ever they were on the border ? Everyone had to pay for a background check and all vets had to provide a copy of their DD-214.
     
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    Always fun to throw back. If President Obama was ONLY a "community organizer"?...

    then The Gipper was ONLY a B Movie Star, since he held only one elected office after his acting career.


    Naturally, that's not their attempted point....they are fine with a one-term US Senator being President....as long as it's Cruz or Rubio. They simply have to disparage the President because...in many cases...they have to rationalize in their minds how a black man became President of "their" country. Like their love of Birtherism....it "had to be a trick".
     
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    GW Bush was running against a man who flunked out of graduate school (Al Gore) the first time, and one who had even more mediocre grades at the same University (Yale) (John Kerry) the second time.
     
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