Charles Krauthammer: Iran deal amounts to worst in U.S. diplomatic history

Great post! but what else do you expect from Obama. he is an incompetent fool and wants to give Iran everything to just get nukes but yet he won't make them give us anything in return. he is not a strong foreign policy person.

 

He said the negotiations were "the worst in U.S diplomatic history". which you'd have known if you had actually read his post.

 

Those "hostages" were CIA criminals aiding and abetting the oppression of the Iranian people for the profit of western corporations. The fact that the Iranian people did not summarily execute them speaks to their sense of justice and compassion.

 

They harbor terrorist and support them. and those terrorist are aggressively attacking other countries so yes the U.S should go to war with them and force a regime change.

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Do you have proof of this?

 

What terrorists? More importantly, what threat do they pose to America?

Aggressively attacking other countries? Surely you are referring to the US and the UK?

 

Really? They are worse than our negotiations as part of the Treaty of Versailles?

 

It's well known that the State Department serves as a cover for CIA agents.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/cias-secret-agents-hide-under-a-variety-of-covers/
https://books.google.com/books?id=i...page&q=state department + cia + cover&f=false

 

Indeed... I strive to follow the lib/prog model of opinion stating... Thanks for recognizing it.

 

I'm a libertarian, so that means nothing to me.

 

1. Death to America chants kind of points to that idea.
2.They are working on long distance delivery systems, and as Obama continues to antagonize the Russians that system might be theirs sooner then later.
3.Iran aggressively attacked our Embassy which is sovereign American territory, they also waged an aggressive war against Iraq(Both sides actually were aggressive), Prior to Iran being occupied by Turkey, they were a major military instigator.
4. I do not plan to serve in the war as I am too old, in any case just because I think criminals should be caught does not mean I have to join the police department.

 

The lugubrious Mr Krauthammer brings decades of experience as a right wing spin artist who generally has little regard for facts or truth.

He's at the very bottom of people whose opinion I would respect on matters of foreign policy (since he only knows what the American Enterprise Institute and AIPAC tell him to say). He was one of George W's biggest boosters, and a card carrying member of the infamous Project for a New American Century.

Of course, when you post stuff like this:

OK , we know where you're coming from.

 

Iran harbors terrorist and the U.S and UK need to stop them.

 

I see westerners saying the same thing about Iran on a regular basis. In this very thread, there have been multiple threats of bombing their country. Does that justify Iran making war on America?

US and Israeli intelligence says there is no evidence that Iran is making a nuclear weapon, let alone a "long distance delivery system". And even if they were, what reason is there to believe they would ever use it against America?

In 1953, Iran's democratically elected government was overthrown and replaced by US and UK intelligence agencies. That "embassy" was the illegitimate remnant of that illegal and aggressive act against Iran and served as a front for western spies.

And it was Iraq who invaded Iran at the instigation of western powers like the US and Israel.

Too old to march and pull a trigger?

If your country is under threat, then the only excuse for not serving is if you cannot walk.

Which terrorists are those? More importantly, what threat to they pose to America?

 

Perhaps or perhaps not, I am not Iranian not my call.

I would not take the risk to allow them such a decision, and no evidence please provide links for that. Last time I saw the Israeli PM plead for world to stop Iran before its too late.

The coup might be true or not, the point still remains the embassy is sovereign American territory.

And it was Iraq who invaded Iran at the instigation of western powers like the US and Israel.

If my country was under attack, and the Army accepted me I would join. If we are talking about a preemptive strike on Iran, I am sure the US army has enough manpower.

 

Radical Imams that preach the destruction of the Christian world.

 

Don't confuse them with common sense questions and accurate historical facts. It just makes them mad.

 

They invaded our embassy in Tehran in 1979 and held our people as hostages for 444 days until the threat of retaliation from Ronald Reagan forced them to let them go. The same kind of Islamic screwballs rule Iran today and they curse as the Great Satan and call for our destruction. Why would any American with any sense want people like that to ever get their hands on nuclear weapons?

 

The Iranian students took hostages to try to force the US to return the shah, who had fled to the US, and the allegedly billions of dollars he took with him, back to Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

 

Do you have any specific examples of such? How is preaching a threat to America?

 

Those weren't my people. My people do not engage in criminal acts that serve to oppress millions of people on behalf of western corporations.

And please try to remember that western-Iranian relations go back further than 1979. In 1953, the US and UK intelligence agencies overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader and replaced him with a western puppet. That is why in 1979 the Iranian people invaded the embassy and deposed the Shah. Because they had been living under the oppression of US and UK puppetry.

 

How about radical Christians like Senator John McCain who preached "Bomb. bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran"?

 

You don't have to be Iranian to apply your logic to their situation.

You claim that because people in Iran go to the streets and chant "death to America", that it somehow proves they are a real threat to America.

If that is true, then the rhetoric of many westerners proves that the US is a threat to Iran, especially since the rhetoric of westerners goes further than simply shouting abstract death threats and provides specific and detailed methods of attacking Iran.

What "risk" is there of them actually making that decision, though?

Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad
U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

Because he is a disgusting liar and war-monger. The claims of politicians should never be taken at face value.

CIA admits role in 1953 Iranian coup

How is it "sovereign American territory" if it's in Iran against the will of the people living there? If Iran overthrew the Eisenhower administration and replaced him with an Islamic theocrat, would you think their "embassy" was "sovereign Iranian territory" or would you think it was an illegitimate occupying force helping to perpetuate the oppression of Americans?

So you would only fight if the country was under attack, which makes sense. That is what most people would do. But America is not under attack, nor is there any reason to believe that Iran intends to attack. Common sense tells me that if I am not willing to leave my home and fight in a war, then it's not really a war worth fighting.

 

I don't know who "your" people are. But I'm glad "your" people don't do criminal acts and oppress millions of people for western corporations. If you or "your" people have a problem with western corporations you should take it up with them but don't try building nuclear weapons.

I don't know what this "living under the oppression of US and UK puppetry" is about either. Got any proof of what all that is about? In return I can show you all the proof that anybody would need that the Islamic gov't of Iran is based on a religion that calls for murder and inhuman treatment of people they call infidels. Do I think that such a government should have nuclear weapons? No way!

 

neoconniver Krauthammer can rant and rave all he wants but if he wants a war against Iran, let him go fight it himself - but before he goes, make sure he pays his taxes and doesn't make a dime of profit from his war

 

Someone has to stand up for peace...