If abortion were banned on the state or national level, would "pro-lifers" support...

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Pro-choicers run from inconvenient pregnancies.
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    So you finally saw the connection I was trying to make between the Anti-Choicers wailing about abortion being "just for CONVENIENCE" and them not liking INCONVENIENCE....:)


    I see you STILL can't answer those inconvenient questions......:)
     
  3. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually......it would seem the Pro-Choice people seek to let pregnant women deal with this themselves whereas the Pro-Life people seek to make the Government deal with it and leave her out of it.
     
  4. Anders Hoveland

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    The train has left the station, so to speak.
    She had a hand to play in it.
     
  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see...so you have never dealt with the mistakes you have made?
     
  6. PatriotNews

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    Abstinence does not do the opposite. That's just silly. What it does do is teach young people both male and female is to have respect for their own bodies and respect for the opposite sex. Being attracted to the opposite sex is perfectly natural. Having the ability to choose whether or not to act on those desires is what make us human. Those who don't agree with me seem to be arguing that promiscuity is better. Why? What are people arguing against treating women with respect?
     
  7. PatriotNews

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    I never said the Gosnell represented all abortionists. That is a strawman argument. I used him as an example.

    I'm pro-choice. I want people to make good choices, not bad choices.

    The alternative to continuing the pregnancy is killing the fetus which is bad.

    I prefer to be called Pro-Choice/Pro-Life Conservative/Republican.

    The reason that you don't understand is because you don't understand the basic concept of "Right to Life" or the Enlightenment as it was written into our laws by the founding fathers. Regardless, the right to life should be a universal basic human right respected by all. I don't know why it is not.

    Illegal abortions are not very practical.

    I consider myself Pro-Choice.

    That is up to the police. They have investigators. They have district attorneys. They have judges.

    I prefer to be called Pro-Choice/Pro-Life from now on.

    Do women have abortions in their bedrooms?

    Does that answer your questions?
     
  8. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you actually believe that females do not want sex? Dude, I pity you.

    Regardless....might want to read up a bit on abstinence education anyway, even though it does not seem something you need to worry about.
    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pu.../409-the-truth-about-abstinence-only-programs
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    No, neither you nor any other Anti-Choicer have ever answered those inconvenient questions.

    In the abortion context Pro-Choice ONLY means supporting women's right to choose abortion or continuing their pregnancy.

    YOU are NOT Pro-Choice ....the ONLY choice you want is yours....that doesn't make you Pro-Choice.
     
  10. PatriotNews

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    See? Another strawman argument. I never said that females don't want sex.

    Why should I read an article against abstinence education by phony liberals that want to encourage teenagers to be promiscuous?

    Here, look at this:

    Geeze, that site was a sight. Pushing abortion and gay sex. I'm sure they're probably funded by taxpayer dollars as well.

    No wonder they want women to be promiscuous, they want 1 in 3 women to get abortions. Doesn't seem like an altruistic goal.
     
  11. tecoyah

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    Nevermind....no point.
     
  12. PatriotNews

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    But I am not Anti-Choice. I am Pro-Choice/Pro-Life. I don't understand what questions weren't answered.

    In the context of abortion, I am Pro-Choice supporting a woman's right to choose right over wrong, life over termination.

    If marriage can mean a man can marry a man or a woman can marry a woman, and that is the definition of "marriage" whether I like it or not, then you have to accept my redefinition of Pro-Choice, which to me also means a woman has a right to choose to save the life of her child by completing her pregnancy. I am Pro-Choice by my definition even if you don't accept that definition. Who are you to discriminate against me and how I want to define Pro-Choice?
     
  13. tecoyah

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    Your definition is not accepted if only because by making the "Choice" mandatory you do not actually provide choice. Allowing a choice to the mother must provide the freedom for her to CHOOSE, even the CHOICE you personally do not want her to choose.
     
  14. PatriotNews

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    You do not get to choose for me what I find acceptable when it comes to defining my Pro-Choice choices. If I choose to define Pro-Choice as a right choice over a wrong choice, or a good choice over a bad choice, that's my choice. If you truly believe in diversity, then you must accept a diversity of people who look and act and think differently, even when it comes to choice. The meanings of words change, and if Pro-Choice meant something yesterday, it could mean something else today, particularly if it means something that is more inclusive. I can be an advocate for Pro-Life even if I am Pro-Choice, because I have met many liberals who are personally against abortion, but do not want to impose their beliefs on other. I am for people to have a choice, so long as that choice is the right choice for them, in which case there can only be one choice which is the right choice for them. I also don't want you impose their beliefs on others. Choosing abortion is imposing a belief on others, the unborn.

    It is Pro-Choice because it allows for the baby to decide. Ask him/her when he/she is 18 if they want to be alive. If you get confused, look up the definition of marriage.
     
  15. FoxHastings

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    """ I don't understand what questions weren't answered."""

    Oh? Gee, I asked them enough times even in posts that you responded to.....they must be very INCONVENIENT


    Here's yet ANOTHER chance to answer:




    WHAT do you find? WHY would there be warrants? What proof would there be to obtain a warrant? What evidence?

    And you, like all other Anti-Choicers, so eager to make women's lives hell, have NEVER answered the question: WHAT do you say to the police when you call 911 to report a suspected abortion?

    Do you say you were peeping in a woman's bedroom, watched her have sex and yet she never had a baby?








    You are not Pro-Choice if you offer only one option, then there is no choice.......and nothing you can say will ever change that simple fact.
     
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    One is left to wonder if you can see the amzingly profound Irony in your position here....I would hope so, as the alternative is in no way flattering.
     
  17. PatriotNews

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    Inconvenient or nuisance?

    Evidence.
    Because a judge issued the warrants.
    Proof presented by the DA.
    Evidence of a crime.

    I am not Anti-Choice. I am Pro-Choice. I like women. I have one for a wife. And two for daughters. And one for a mother. And three for sisters.

    I would call the police and say, "I suspect a crime has been committed."

    Oh, now...Peeking is a crime in this county. I know because my democrat county supervisor was charged with that crime.

    Not only am I Pro-Choice because I offer an option, I am Pro-Choice because I offer the best option. What good is having a choice unless you can have a choice between a good and a bad option, but then can choose the bad option? It's better to always have the right choice than the wrong choice. So, for me, being Pro-Choice is about having the option to choose what is best for society, the mother and the fetus, and that choice is always life, the best choice! Life is good not bad. Life is right, not wrong. This is indisputable.
     
  18. PatriotNews

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    It is ironic how I juxtaposed the left's argument to show that I am right using their own rhetorical and logical argument methodology.
     
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    You're coming from a side known for its deliberate twisting of facts and logics...
     
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    I just found out about the term "sealioning" yesterday and it fits you perfectly.

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  22. FoxHastings

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    I have lots of terms that fit you perfectly, sadly, most I can't use here .

    But one is "Terrified" of pertinent inconvenient questions.

    It was cute how you ran, again, from these :

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

    Pertinent so inconvenient for you....and since you can't/haven't answered them they must be a real nuisance for you What is the evidence comprised of....? The word "evidence" isn't enough[/B].
    Not unless there is a reason...WHAT would be the reason?[/B]
    What does the proof consist of....the word proof is not enough[/B].
    What does the evidence consist of? Using the word "evidence" won't win any cases....it has to consist of something? What?[/B]
    WHAT crime? Do police just respond to " a crime has been committed" NO. What words do you use... "I saw my daughter flowing blood and I suspect she had an abortion" ???[/B]
    Maybe he was the Abortion Patrol and if you're nice to him he'll let you go on patrol with him...(but you did avoid answering the question with your little untrue story)[/B]
    Must be terribly frustrating for you that women ignore your idea of good and bad [/B]
     
  23. PatriotNews

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    I did answer those questions and you just gave me more questions or restated the same questions.

    I don't post to entertain a non-stop barrage of silly questions from everyone.
     
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    Around and around, first you can't "remember" the questions then you repeatedly say you have answered them with absolutely no proof whatsoever....you have never answered them and you have no proof you did or you could produce the post where you answered them but you can't....because you never answered them.


    Your dishonest way of debating is just plain silly......I sense you know you're wrong but just like to hit the keys on your keyboard....:)


    Luckily, despite people like you, women's rights are still safe and abortion is LEGAL :) :)
     
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    I suppose the alternate theory is the accurate one...which means I do not wish to waste further time.
     

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