Why isn't repbulican congress fixing immigration?

13% admitted to voting. The actual number has to be 3 to 5 times that who were afraid to admit they voted illegally.

VOTER ID NOW!

 

Obamanomics....less than 2% mean growth over his time in office so far.



Reaganomics 4+% mean growth over the same time frame. One economic plan worked, the other was a dismal failure.

 

Dude, it's not that we broke up families here, it's that we originally broke up families there, with our CIA takeover of Central and South America. We took over their governments, their resources, and their means to make a living. Family breakup occurred a long time ago, and we in the U.S. are directly responsible; http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/us-interventions-in-latin-american-021/

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You mean voter suppression right?

 

Oh? dismal failure? you sure have an interesting definition of that phrase.



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No quibbles with voter ID being reasonable and that ID being readily accessible and cost free to all citizens.

 

the issue isn't trickle down as you stated. I'll concede the point that trickle down is an example of my point. I am aware that some uninformed people blame "trickle down" instead of putting it in proper perspective that it was merely one of a myriad of components that contributed to the financial instability brought about by wall street crooks and bureaucrats and politicians asleep at the wheel.

 

Avowed enemies of the US? bet that's news to both Russia and China. Gee increasing military aggressiveness within their own spheres of influence, why its positively "un-American".

Seems Iranian political rhetoric isn't the same as American political rhetoric.
Or have I missed the right wingers clammering in unison with BiBi to bomb Iran because they are genocidal maniacs.

The Iranians are not suicidal.

"your duplicity, arrogance and ignorance" he accused with a straight face.

 

The larger issue in this thread id say is hypocrisy. You gleefully pointed out hypocrisy coming from the right, but the truth of the matter is hypocrisy abounds in all directions, and for every example you can give of rightwing hypocrisy, I can point out an example of leftwing hypocrisy. Politics are hypocritical by their very nature.

 

No but their view of reality is tainted by the fact that they believe that the 12th Imam will crawl out of his hole to rescue them before the return strike lands. And China has been targeting us as the ultimate enemy since Mao and since when does their sphere of influence include Islands that are closer to the Philippines than to China?

 

I just love how you ignored the rest of the Politifact link to create your own false narrative of how the deportations actually worked, while Lou Dobbs gets caught getting smacked, making a false narrative himself. In conclusion, from Politifact, "transferring of people from Border Patrol to ICE is not trying to trick the numbers, said Alex Nowrastech, a CATO Institute immigration policy analyst. It is a result of punishing illegal immigrants more heavily than they did before". Unless you are an immigration policy analyst, I suspect those who are not, wouldn't know as much as Mr. Nowrastech. Unless you are Mr. Nowrastech? And since you seem to have left out that little small detail, and I'm guessing you are not Mr. Nowrastech, proves you haven't a clue of what you are talking about, and neither does Dobbs. Thanks for playing!

 

don't deny it. Hypocrisy just like racism and stupidity know no partisan bounds.

 

Not only am I not denying it, the very post of mine to which you are replying already says it.

 

And many American Christians believe in revelations and Armageddon. Your understanding of the rise of the 12 Imam is ludicriously nonsensical.

As for Chinese expanding their military presence within their sphere of influence, I guess history has nothing to do with some of their claims.

 

mea culpa, I mistakenly dropped the "I" at the beginning of my first sentence. sorry.

 

Do you really want me to go through that poliifact link and explain to you what it is saying? Nowrastech is nothing more than an analyst, he is providing nothing more than his opinion, which is worth about nothing. The whole point again is that Obama is counting as removals people that before would never have been counted, by charging them with EWI instead of returning them back across the border (removals and returns are counted as deportations). Even Obama admits his numbers are deceptive. All the removals are occurring at the border instead of the interior, as your link states, interior enforcement is down to the mid 30% from being almost 70% of total deportations. Politifact only claims Dobbs claim is false based on how it was presented.

Their entire claim is based on the word "manipulated". Was it manipulated? NO, is it deceptive as Obama claims? YES

Are you espousing hyperbole? YES

Has Obama deported more people than Bush? NO http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...er-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

 

Domestic politics, yes as you prove over and over.

Proving it once again. We were never losing 800-900k jobs a month and the job loss rate bottomed out that the month Obama took office and rapidly receded as I have repeatedly told you. And is a demonstrable fact that the recession was 2/3's through the month he took office and ended in June BEFORE any of his policies were put in place.

Stop digging your hole about American domestic policies and history.

What does being "under Obama" mean or have to do with anything. Bush shored up the Banks with TARP which was paid back with interest, Obama did not have to "fix" the financial breakdown.

More so than you apparently because that is one key component of a recovery which Obama flushed down the toilet and one reason this has been the worst post recession recovery om modern history in MY country

Sigh shaking his head. In our country we have the unemployment rate and the job loss rate, you are conflating the two because you don't know what you are talking about.

Here is the job loss rate



Now admit I know much more about my country and it's economy and it's history than you a foreigner attempting to take it upon himself to tell us how we should run our country.

It was everything Obama said it would be and failed miserably producing the worst unemployment record since the Great Depression as oppose to the Bush response to the 2000/2001 recession, dot.com bust and 9/11.

Not by an measure and far deeper than any one would have ever predicted.

It's it's sole goal was to move people from medicaid into expensive private insurance they can't afford it might be achieving it's principle goals. The fact is it is failing in lower health insurance cost and making it more available. But then here you go again delving into matters of no concern to you without being properly informed.

Yes he ended the war.

Absolute nonsense. The WW2 in Europe and Asia ended with the surrender of of Germany and Japan. Then the occupation began.

Your stretching like a rubber band now.

It didn't stop immediately in Germany because of rouge forces that had to be rounded up. But the fact remains the war in Iraq ended after the surge defeated al Qaeda and the war they brought to Iraq, a BIG strategic mistake on their part.

They meant a LOT and they ONLY leverage we still may have against them.

Not that I have found leaning over to yell down the hole.

I certainly do not take it upon myself to tell you how to run your domestic policy, it's not my place as I have no voice in the matter.

OH only THOSE things matter. THOSE are the only bad things that can be said about a President. Geez the just amazing.

So you are claiming Bush43 never face harsh undue personal attacks attacking his very character and honesty and ethics? Accused of being a traitor, a deserter, a war criminal, a war profiteer just to name a few, you are denying that? That even one MAJOR news organization engaged in a plot of deception to smear him publically on their highly rated national news show presenting bogus, unchecked documents as fact and even when caught at it refuse to retract the story? You really denying that fact?

You have been.

Well being a citizen certain has it's advantages and being a foreigner it's limitations as you routinely demonstrate.

 

Their number one tool: a few hspanic votes? lol Cracks me up that conservatives use the--we can't make waves with the hspanics because we need their votes, therefore we must forever be kissing their arses.

 

Yes, actually he has. It's just that it has come under a policy change that had nothing to do with fudging the numbers, but instead had more to do with punishing those more, that were just returns, so as to keep them from coming back. By doing that, the mind set would be that hopefully they wouldn't come back if processed the first time. Hence, that is the reason there are less removals from inside the country because the focus has been to get them early at the border and be processed to hopefully not return a second time. In the end, it ends up being a matter of opinion. The Obama administration probably felt they would do more good by changing the policy from returns to removals as a strategy to keep more from coming back, instead of focusing on those that were already inside the country, with the exception of processing criminals. Pretty good strategy if you ask me. So, has Obama deported more than Bush? Yes! Has Bush deported more within the country than Obama? Yes! Who has the most deportations all together? Obama. Now, if Obama had been president first and Bush had implemented the same policy, Obama would be behind in total deportations as well. It really just boils down to population changes among illegals from 08 up until now in my opinion. As for Nowrastech being nothing more than an analyst, I somehow suspect he knows a little more about what's going on than you do in that department. And I'll leave it at that.

 

Eisenhower has the most deportations all together, and he didn't have immigration friendly policies that keeps letting more people come in to the US, and not deport them, so with his Operation Wetback, by 1959, illegal immigration in America, essentially ceased to exist. With the right president put in office in 2016, we will have Operation Wetback II, and a secured border, both.

Conservatives don't say that, RINOs do (Bush, Rubio, Graham, Flake, McCain, etc)

 

The ones inside the country are the ones committing crimes and should be a high priority verse letting them back on the streets as has been happening.

Obama has removed more than Bush by charging those that would have prior received a return.

Bush removed more from the interior than Obama and had more returns then Obama, and more deportations than Obama.

WRONG. Bush had over 10.6 million deportations in his 8 years, Obama only has 3.1 Million. to date.

Coming from a person that doesn't understand the difference between removals, returns, and deportations.

 

Eisenhower does not have the most deportations.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...rter-in-chief-A-rundown-of-the-numbers.-video

 

how do you purpose they do that? The President is using this as a political, presidential election issue. He and the Democrats had plenty opportunity to reform the immigration laws. They chose not to.

 

And he gets the F for very good reasons. Just as Rick Santorum gets an A for other good reasons. And I don't know how NumbersUSA gets to be labeled "conservative". Unless you mean conserving American jobs for Americans. Conserving American dollars for Americans. Conserving American environmental health. Conserving American peaceful communities. Conserving American culture. Conserving American disease-free status. Conserving American population management/health. etc

And the way they can do all these thing as is to propose a secure border + a mass deportation program like the one Eisenhower presided over in 1954 with Operation Wetback. If Democrats did that, they would get an A from NumbersUSA.

Invalidation is hard-wired into liberals.

 

What a marvelous none response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_losses_caused_by_the_Great_Recession

I'd love to know how you arrive at 2/3rds out of recession at Jan 2009.

apparently your hole is much much deeper.

Yes under Obama, with the stimulus and saving GM and even making a profit on all those "stupid" green energy loans and grants. Yes TARP was bush's plan and Obama converted those bailout funds to equity stakes that actually made money, or did that fact slip your mind.

No thanks to the republican obstructionism and in particular the tea party's idiotic statements about default. But of course its all Obama's fault for not towing the republican line.

Not bad. In the same post you deny job losses and then attempt to use it to counter my comment wrt the unemployment rate to disprove your comments about massive job losses being over by the time Obama took office.

I'll admit that you don't know as much as you think you do and aren't all that good at debate either.

It didn't meet the optimistic goals that Obama believed could be achieved, but then again, it did create and save up to 3.3 million jobs.
First you argue that the stimulus was after the fact and job losses and unemployment had taken a positive turn, and then you argue that it produced the worst unemployment since the 30's. do you always vacillate so?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/

Huh? Are you admitting that the lions share of the decrease LPR was predicted?

Can you guess when the baby boom happened from the chart below?

Wow what amazing simplistic nonsense. And you accuse me of not being properly informed. You just can't get over your parochialism. But by all means discount my arguments for the sole reason of my nationality. It makes it so much easier for you to ignore the facts and regurgitate partisan spin.

'Oh, Bush ended the war? when exactly did the bombings and killing of innocent Iraqi civilians and American soliders end? Was there a peace treaty - oh wait, the SOAF was as close as it came. So Bush ends the war, signs what is in essence a peace treaty and then the right goes apepoopy when Obama honors that agreement.

chutzpah in the face of reality.

Oh, was there a peace treaty signed in Iraq? No, there wasn't. Unless you think that SOFA and the UN memorandum of understanding are actually peace treaties.
I see that the surge defeated AQ, except it sure as hell didn't since they seem to have continued the fighting in both Iraq and expanded the franchise elsewhere. that sure is a political definition of "defeat".

Oh really? No, they don't mean all that much without international sanctions. What could the US do if China and Russia and the EU decided that their sanctions were no longer effective? Sit there and look like fools to the world, exactly like they did with their Cuban policy, which was also serious "leverage".

You are a poster child for parochial jingoism.

I totally understand. How could you learn anything leaning over and yelling into your excrement evacuation system.

But you are prepared for you nation to take it upon themselves to dictate foreign and domestic policy to others. Apparently those nations effective by America domestic policies aren't allowed to comment in your bubble world, but in the real world, we can and do.

No, I didnt' say those are the only. I was commenting on the degree of commentary and unless you can enlighten me, no other president in modern times has been the object of such bigoted hatred.

Nope, not denying it at all , but I don't recall anyone of any significance claiming he was a traitor. It was a disgusting display of hackery, but republicans came back with a vengeance and out disgusted the dems with Obama.

Not by you.

I agree that there is a great advantage to being a citizen since it doesn't require knowledge or expertise as you so routinely demonstrate.

 

"Wow" is right. Exactly the correct word when you take a whole list of OBVIOUS truths and try to turn them into falsehoods. You've got to be kidding. I will deal with these one at a time. First the EnteroVirus D68. "Wow, what a "coincidence"

Until the Central American kids came here Entero Virus D68 was unknown in the US, since the 1960s. The kids brought it here. Of course they did. It popped up in epidemic level right at the same time and place that the kids arrived. ABC News Chief Health and Medical Editor Dr. Richard Besser said a mouthful when he pointed out that “Viruses don't tend to respect borders.” What more potent a formula for disaster than “unaccompanied minors” with all sorts of contagious diseases, coming across the border into our communities, and more specifically into our schools, where American children are now falling ill ? Then Besser said, and this is a winner for sure, that “This particular Enterovirus EV-D68 is very rare and they have no idea why it showed up this year.” If Dr. Richard Besser doesn’t suspect that the flood of children from south of the border are bringing with them all sorts of Third-World diseases and are likely the primary source of this and many other illnesses poised to become a problem, then maybe ABC News needs a new Chief Health and Medical Editor.


At Children's Hospital in Denver, Colorado, between mid-August and early September doctors saw more than “900 pediatric patients with symptoms of the respiratory virus in the emergency room.”

Professor of medicine and medical director of Doctor Radio at New York University’s Langone Medical Center Dr. Marc Siegel wrote this in Slate magazine: "As many as 50,000 children, mostly from Central American countries… are not being detained for the purpose of identifying illness, with Immigration and Customs Enforcement relying on self-report of symptoms, and many have already been sent to other states, where disease can spread."

Predictably, the medical community and the CDC are blaming the spread of this “rare” virus on seasonal allergies and the start of the school year. Instead of playing the politically-correct denial game, would it be so wrong to suggest that the emergence of a new strain of childhood virus could be a result of the 112% increase in the numbers of new “unaccompanied minors” streaming into the country, carrying with them diseases either new, rare, or altogether eradicated from the U.S. for decades?

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/09/the_invasion_of_enterovirus_evd68.html

https://lexingtonlibertarian.wordpr...can-children-who-crossed-our-southern-border/

From WebMD. >>>

“The virus, enterovirus D68, or EV-D68, was first discovered in 1962 in California. But until now, it has only been tied to smaller clusters of disease around the U.S.

This is the first time it’s caused such widespread misery, and it seems to be particularly hard on the lungs.”

“What’s unusual about this one is that it’s a virus that hasn’t widely spread through the U.S. before.

“If you have a new virus that has not widely circulated, most people are going to be susceptible,” Jackson says.

The spreading of the virus coincided with the start of the new school year. Many hospitals noticed a big uptick in cases when kids went back to their classrooms.


Talk-radio giant, Michael Savage, blasted Obama for releasing the illegal-alien children in all 50 states: “This population in America, which once enjoyed the greatest health on earth, is now being devolved into a second-world nation in terms of health because Obama is so corrupt, was so ignorant, was so evil that he’s taken what was once the greatest nation on earth and devolving us into a second nation status.”

Savage, who earned a doctorate in epidemiology at the University of California at Berkeley, declared on his show Monday, “For 20 years, I’ve been trying to warn America about the unscreened immigrants being brought in. Now, of course, it’s coming home to roost, and the American people are being lied to by the Centers for Disease Transmission. They used to be the CDC; they’re now the CDT.

“Instead of stopping disease spread, they’re encouraging it by not speaking out against bringing in infected children and putting them in our public schools, right? It’s astounding to me what they can get away with because of the ignorance of the public. Common sense is gone. … What do you expect to happen if you put a kid with a certain virus into a school where they’ve never been exposed to that virus? It’s called an epidemic breakout.”




http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20140909/enterovirus-d68-parents?page=2

http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/americans-fret-about-mystery-virus-and-illegal-kids/

There are 2 ways of denying that the summer 2014 Entero Virus D68 epidemic was caused by hte sudden influx of Central American children migrants.

1. Being a liar.

2. Being an idiot.

 

Yeah, "Wow" is right. How could anybody not know that remittances are financial loss ? How could somebody come into this forum and say such a ludicrous thing ?

I honestly don't see how anybody could be that stupid and ignorant, so I'm guessing you're lying, but just to nice, for now, I'll give it the benefit of doubt and explain it to you as if you didn't know the obvious.

When immigrants send $123 Billion/year (2012 figure) of dollars the earned inside the US, and send it out of the US to their home countries, that money is no longer in the US to be spent in American stores (AKA the American economy). If Americans had been working in those jobs, they would NOT send their earnings out of the US. They would spend it HERE in the US, to American stores, thereby pumping up the US economy. So, by remittances, all those sales$$$ are lost from American businesses. Sales they would have gotten, if Americans were in those jobs, instead of immigrants. Get it ?

So what you have is hundreds of Billions$$$ (Trillions over the years) being extracted out of the US economy, and reinserted into the economies of the immigrants' countries. In the old days (Vikings, Nazis, etc) imperialists used soldiers to grab wealth by physical force. Now they use everything at their disposal to pillage the victim country, using poor migrants and the remittance process. And this is bolsterd further by means of the anchor baby racket and false documentation, whereby the invader country loots the victim by soaking up its tax treasury $$ into the pockets of its own people . thereby relieving itself of having to pay the welfare costs of them (which we Americans stupidly pay their welfare bill for them) Get it ?

PS - the stupid cartoon you posted is confirming MY ARGUMENT, not yours. All those illegal aliens you show working in the picture are taking jobs away from Americans, reducing America workers' wages, reducing the govt tax base (because their lower wages result in less tax paid), and causing huge losses to American businesses/our economy due to the remittances$$$ they send out. So yes, what the guy said is exactly right. Those illegals ARE destroying the country, by the harms of immigration that I cited.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/02/20/remittance-map/

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($123 Billion/year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases.