How does the MWI of Quantum Mechanics affect your views on abortion?

"Fetal bloodlust" !












See, despite all the high falutin' pseudo-intellectual blather it ALWAYS boils down to "Women are Evil, They Must Be Punished For Being Evil"


Thank you for that admission.....it ALWAYS comes down to that....

 

No big surprise when you imply that claim as the crux of your argument.

 

Uh, that would be you....don't you read your own posts.......

 

Your assumption that all women are a-ok, as you are, with killing a fetus to avoid the burden of pregnancy, is easily demonstrably false.

Your desire to justify your own moral shortcomings by projecting them onto an entire gender is useless in this debate. I will allow it to be so, simply for the sake of discussion. And declare misogyny justfied. If you insist.

 

I NEVER said all women are OK with it....you don't actually read my posts nor your own!

I said women have a right to have an abortion whether YOUR morals allow it or not.

Oh, how nice of you to "allow" my moral shortcomings....


I know already you justify misogyny.......lots of people can justify their hate..........and you did yours by denigrating women who have abortions.

What can't you get about the FACT that YOUR morals are not everyone's and YOU do not rule the world with YOUR morals???.

 

Women who have abortions is one of the crappiest things humans can be. I will denigrate that every chance I get, along with rapists, thieves, etc. And I support laws against those things.

Your responses to me unequivocally imply that all women support and want to commit abortions. Now you back track because someone has finally taken the time to explain the absurdity of your rhetoric to you. And you're only used to dealing with bible folks.

 

I am not backtracking, I have no reason to. I hold steadfast in my beliefs and the "backtracking" allegation always comes from a poster who has lost and can't think of a decent rebuttal

OK, you hate women( since you call their having human rights absurd rhetoric) , I don't ...end of discussion.

 

If your position is correct, and you are an intelligent, thoughtful, and honest person, then why would you pretend that the "sickos" I referenced were ALL women and not just the specific ones guilty of the action I named in the sentence?

You need me to be misogynistic because you can't progress the discussion unless your opponent is one. You require that this discussion follow the typical framework since it is not comfortable to think about the dead fetuses. Try original thought.

 

I don't hate women. But I can see how someone programmed by one of the two political parties needs to believe that.

 

Slave owners probably didn't think they hated their slaves.....but it didn't make any difference to the slaves.


The way I see, attempting to take away someone's human rights may as well BE hate....... .... sure doesn't look loving or benevolent....or fair or honest or decent or humane or intelligent ..........

 

All crimes are committed with a person's body. Only in the abortion debate do we hear claims that the human body is exempt from legislation.

All laws govern what a person can do with his or her own body. Every single law that has ever existed controls the human body. Your arguments are bunk and you have been duped by your party.

 

Flailing.... Your post has nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted, the one that shows what hate is.

 

I don't intend to be loving or benevolent to wrongdoers. Humans do not have the right to do whatever they want. Crime and punishment is a reality.

The police were not very loving to me all the times I have been arrested for marijuana possession. But I live in a society that has the ability to enforce its morals.

You can have your morals different from mine, but don't pretend they can't be enforced by law.

 

Society does not have the ability to enforce abortion bans. That has been proven by history, that is abortions occurred in the same numbers before decriminalization. That has been proven by geography, that is abortions occur in countries where abortion bans exist. It is usually the case that morality laws can only be enforced when there is a strong consensus in society supporting those laws, and anti-abortion laws do not inspire such a consensus.

 

""""all the times I have been arrested for marijuana possession"""



'splains a lot ....

 

No....that's Brane or M-Theory.

Mutiversal Theory has Many Worlds are just a part of it.

In Many Worlds there only exists a single Baseline Reality from which infinite in number branching Divergent Universal States of Reality originate.

Multiversal Theory takes this further as Many Worlds Theory is not comprehensive enough to account for Quantum Mechanics thus in Multiversal Theory not only are there Infinite Divergent Universal Realities being generated from ONE Baseline Universal Reality but as well....

....there is also INFINITE IN NUMBER BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITIES each one with infinite in number Divergent Universal States.

As far as Brane Theory or M-Theory as you talked about....this is just a Theory specific to how each Divergent Universal State is seperated specific to Interuniversal Interconnectivity.

Now how Many Worlds or Multiversal Theory has any relation to Abortion...YOU TELL ME!!

AboveAlpha

 

When a person makes an intentional decision to end the life of a fetus, she is willfully and maliciously deciding to eliminate the possible future life of that entity. I declare such behavior should be criminal.

You are free to disagree, but pretending that there is a multiversal theory outside of m theory that has any relevance currently in modern physics in order to downplay the blatant errors in your previous post should not be an option for an honest debater.

If you insist, then please name a few of the developers of this "multiversal theory" that is not m theory and has contributed to quantum computer developments, so that I may study it, since I have never heard of it and am interested. Otherwise, you should just back off your point that I am clueless about these theories, since it is clear you are no more of an expert than I am

 

Hopefully, it explains clearly that the reluctant pro choicer's assertion that morals can't be legislated is false. Otherwise, your brain is not working properly and you presumably (from this comment) do not have drug use to fall back on as an excuse.

 

It is rare to find anyone who actually think abortion is a-ok. Most people who do it want to keep it a secret.

On the other hand, virtually everyone I know smokes pot and is open about it.

One is illegal, the other is not. So I hardly see how your point is valid. Society can make laws.

 

You still have not answered the question I have asked you several times now.

WHAT DOES MANY WORLDS THEORY HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION??

This is the question you keep avoiding...why?

You can have any OPINION you want....but your opinion is not going to change the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that Abortion is LEGAL in the United States and I don't like the idea of a Fetus being terminated anymore than you do or anyone else for that matter but the FACTS ARE....there are cases where sometimes an Abortion is not only necessary but is as well ETHICAL!!

Such cases of...

Incest.
Rape.
Non-Viable Fetus.
Health of Woman.
Genetic Abnormalities.
And many others.

Reguardless of what your or my opinion is the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled and just recently clarified this ruling that a until the moment a Fetus is birthed normally or via C-Section or other method...and then the Fetus must be completely seperated from the Woman as it's UMBILICAL CORD MUST BE CUT....and at that point as long as the Fetus has BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY and the Fetus is capable of surviving with or without MECHANICAL ASSISTANCE.....then at that point a FETUS OBTAINS PERSONAGE and with the obtaining of personage a Fetus is now deamed a CHILD.

Now as far as M-Theory...or Membrane Theory or Brane Theory....this is but just ONE CONCEPT on how Inter-Universal Geometry and Reality are seperated and it is NOT THE END ALL to Multiversal Theory.

Many Worlds Theory was an early form of Multiversal Theory and YES....since I have worked on Multiversal Models I am much more versed in this than you are.

Brane or M-Theory very well might be how Universal Realities are seperated but unfortunate for you in your reply to me which was....."high energy branes existing in extra mathematical dimensions."...end quote MAYTAG....UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU.....your non-sensical gibberish as claiming HIGH ENERGY BRANES...to a person like me gave me a good chuckle!! LOL!!!

Depending on which version of Brane or String Theory we are discussing there are all sorts of Brane Topography or Topology or whatever....

As example in one version of string theory known as the Topological B-model, the D-branes are complex Submanifolds of certain six-dimensional shapes called Calabi–Yau manifolds, together with additional data that arise physically from having charges at the endpoints of strings.

Thus your explaination of what exactly Brane or M-Theory is in reality is like a person trying to describe the Dynamics of Fly Fishing by stating...."You flick a hook tied with pieces of feathers of other material that is attached to a string which is attached to a special rod and real to catch fish."

Now....ONCE AGAIN......WHAT DOES MULTIWORLDS THEORY HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION???

And by the way.....we KNOW a Multiverse exists because we now have working QUANTUM PROCESSORS and a Quantum Processor works in conjuction with every Alternate Reality Version of Itself in order to get all possible answers before at the point that Wave Fuction collapse locks in value and function of Quanta specific to OUR SINGLE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY as ONLY ONE ANSWER OUT OF ALL THAT ARE GENERATED BY A QUANTUM COMPUTER is related and specific to OUR UNIVERSE.

So...again.....WHAT DOES MULTIWORLDS THEORY HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION???

AboveAlpha

 

The concept of various possible futures struck me as a reason for abortion to be immoral in the absense of consensus that fetuses can be considered human beings. Your question is nonsense as I have not claimed one has anything to do with the other in general.

Agreed that these instances contain solid justifications for abortions and such an act would not be criminal, in my opinion. I would add that the production of embryos for the sole purpose of destroying them for the sake of embryonic stem cell research is a perfectly morally sound thing to do, as the potential benefits for medicine and mankind far outweigh the loss of however many potential futures.

I wouldn't argue against this definition of personhood. Nevertheless, killing a non person human fetus without any sound justification should be illegal.

It doesn't seem to me that your middle school science project has won you any greater expertise than the typical internet layman.

You boast, even though the above is nothing but sophomoric regurgitation of the most basic geometric concepts regarding branes, a tangent still wholly irrelevant to the topic.

This is why I consider you a layman. A multiverse is not required to explain these observations. They simply do not contradict a multiverse hypothesis. Quantum computing works off of the same observations that have been made for a century without ever confirming a multiverse. Proof of a multiverse! Talk about giving someone a chuckle!

 

Excuse me but you did post this did you not?

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Multiple Worlds Interpretation.

One need not accept this interpretation as reality to recognize that some of the ideas are relevant to the abortion debate.

There need only be one world and to me, it is mind blowing to think of how the universe turns out if just one little thing goes a different direction. Personally, it was the presentation of MWI that caused me to rethink my stance on abortion. Where I was once torn between two less than ideal scenarios, I became convinced that robbing a person of his or her potential future by force was unequivocally morally wrong.

Furthermore, I determined that the loss of future experiences is the main reason murder itself is morally wrong and that it has nothing to do with the cognitive abilities or previous experiences of the victim. Truly, the murderer only takes away his victim's potential future. And this is why the act is so detestable. Aborting a pregnancy is exactly the same as murder under this perspective.

Remember that I am not endorsing MWI as a correct interpretation. In fact, I find it to be pure fantasy and baseless speculation. But MWI institutes many concepts that are known to be fact and it is these which I have used to explain my stance on abortion and murder in the previous paragraph. MWI is one of the most basic things you will ever learn about in physics, especially if you never receive any formal education, so very little knowledge of physics is required for this. Look it up if you are lost. I suspect most Liberals here are familiar with it, since they like to pretend they know science.

This is YOUR POST.

Yet you state...."Your question is nonsense as I have not claimed one has anything to do with the other in general."...end quote Maytag.

What....did you just feel like confusing the issue for some other people by including the Many Worlds Theory with your rant on Abortion?? LOL!!

And if you want to talk about nonsense....this post of yours and I quote...."This is why I consider you a layman. A multiverse is not required to explain these observations. They simply do not contradict a multiverse hypothesis. Quantum computing works off of the same observations that have been made for a century without ever confirming a multiverse. Proof of a multiverse! Talk about giving someone a chuckle!"...end quote Maytag....is just plain nonsense!!

I am willing to BET you have absolutely no idea how a Quantum Processor works!

AboveAlpha

 

No where did I say that MWI has anything to do with abortion. So thanks for demonstrating that by quoting the post which contains no such claim.

As I explained in the op, it was simply the concept of possible futures, a concept that may exist outside of mwi, that initiated my change in opinion. MWI was merely the setting under which I was personally introduced to the concept. You aren't getting this because you seem to be having knee jerk reactions to someone questioning abortion and simply aren't reading my words.

As your post shows, no where did I claim that mwi has anything to do with abortion.

Now, as for something that has not been shown, proof of a multiverse. Your assertion otherwise ruins any credibility what little science knowledge you have demonstrated might have earned you.

 

Let me say that I am truly fascinated by the guy who starts off questioning my expertise (which I never claimed) of science by mixing up mwi with some imaginary "multiversal theory" and goes on to say the mutliverse has been proven.

You're a science fiction fan, not a scientist.