NRA Commentary Admits The Odds Of Needing A Gun To Defend Yourself Are Infinitesimal

I've been carrying for going on 10 years now, and I've never had to use it either. It saved me from being robbed once though. I was pumping gas when a young baggy-pants "gentleman" approached me with his hand in his hoodie pocket, gesturing as if he had a weapon. He demanded my wallet, which was in my back-right pocket just below my weapon. He had me, and I knew it. I was gonna just give him the wallet, but when I moved my coat aside to reach for it, he saw my weapon there. He immediately turned and walked, quite briskly for someone with his pants around his ankles, away. I called 911, and waited about 20 minutes for the cops to arrive to take my statement.

 

I'm sure your experience would not show up as an event where a concealed weapon stopped a robbery. There is no telling how many times a armed citizen has had a confrontation that ended well due to his being armed.

 

Closest I came to using my carry weapon...

Sitting in line at a BK drive in late at night, line of cars ahead and behind me.
I just paid for my order, waiting to move up to the next window to pick up my food - the guy behind me starts blaring his horn.
Just a few short blasts... then longer.. and longer. I can hear him yelling something to the effect of "move the f up!"
Next thing I know his passenger door opens and someone got out, heading in my direction. passenger side.
He was about to pound on the window when he saw the muzzle of my XD40.
His eyes went wide and he went back to his car.

Not sure if he was drunk or high or whatnot, or what he was about to do, but whatever his motivation or intent, he stopped.

 

Probably not. The cops took a 'report', and advised me to avoid stopping in that area in the future.. That was the last I heard of it.

 

Mine is an XDm 40. Damn fine weapon, for winter wear. I carry an S&W Shield .40 when summer attire is proper.

 

I have the XD40 3.8" sub - the XDM was a bit too big and cost almost 50% more. Got it at the SA hut, commercial row, 2014.
I usually keep my 1911 in the car but had it packed away for a trip the next day.

 

Careful, I'm not up on the details of the law in Ohio but here that would be a crime. If he didn't have a weapon your not in danger and thus that would be brandishing, here charged as felony assault. It's a stupid law but most States are similar, basically if you can't legally shoot you can't legally draw. There's a lot of grey in the middle, just is what it is.

 

Bang for the buck I prefer the HK USPs over the XD/XDM, but prefer the 1911 over both.

 

If I had shot him at that point, I would have been in trouble
If he had a rock or a tire iron and smashed my window, then no.
In OH, castle doctrine applies to people in their cars.

 

Interesting, I don't suppose you have a link to the law handy?


Here such a thing would fall under our version of stand your ground. And of course reasonable man, in fear, usual stuff.

 

I have never had the opportunity to fire a 1911, but I know that folks who like them, REALLY like them. I bought my XDm 40 from an individual seller, lightly used and well maintained, at a bargain price ($325). I'd have never considered an SA, but for that random opportunity. I'm glad I did, because I really like it. It took a while for me to warm up to the odd grip/trigger safety, but it has been a great pistol for me.

 

In Oklahoma, anyone can have a gun open in their car unloaded. Those with a carry license can have them loaded. The guy seeing a gun has no case. Pointing it at him might be different.

 

Suggest you find an opportunity to fire a 1911. But even I a 1911 fan will admit they aren't for everybody. Being a little complicated, SAO, manual safety, etc, they take some training. While I was still learning I carried a HK USP, I consider it a perfect intermediate gun. The good manual safety, decocker, DA/SA, and hammer give you every carry option in a solid reliable platform with an ok trigger. When I was more comfortable/trained I switched to a 1911 for the trigger, ergonomics, safety, and recoil management. Specifically a Kimber for their grip safety activated firing pin block.

This goes back to another thread about all the negligent discharges. If the grabboids had any idea about guns and responsible carriers they wouldn't even try. If they had any idea how many safeties are in a 1911.... well they may advocate 1911 only at that point, lol.

 

Yeah, it's the pointing that's the issue.


I have a story that falls in between.

Driving I ended up stopped at a light boxed in behind a guy that was mad at me about something, I have no idea what. He got out of his little import pickup with an aluminum baseball bat and started towards me yelling something. As soon as I saw the bat I pulled my 1911 from my holster but didn't raise it. When he reached my fender and had raised the bat I lifted the gun into his view through my windshield. Just holding it up in profile for him to see, not pointing it. Was kinda funny how fast the expression on his face changed. He then scurried back to his truck and I can only assume waited nervously for the light to change.

 

Ohio Rev. Code §2901.09 eliminates the “duty to retreat” if the person is lawfully in his residence or in his or an immediate family member’s vehicle. Since Edwards was in his girlfriend’s vehicle and she was not an immediate family member, he still had a duty to retreat when a perceived threat arises

Ohio Rev. Code §2901.05(B) creates the presumption of self defense if the accused “us(ed] defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm” against a person who was “in the process of unlawfully and without privilege to do so entering, or ha[d] unlawfully and without privilege to do so entered the residence or vehicle occupied by the [accused].” Thus, Edwards had the presumption of acting in self defense when the prior boyfriend attempted to enter the vehicle. However, this presumption is rebuttable. The requirements for self defense are (1) the person is not at fault in creating the situation; (2) the person has a bona fide belief that he is in imminent danger of great bodily harm or that his only means of escape is the force used; and (3) the person has not violated a duty to retreat or avoid the danger. All three of these requirements must be met for self defense.

https://ohioccw.org/201302015066/castle-doctrine-legal-decision.html

OH requires you to retreat unless in your car or house.
In my case, there was no way to retreat.

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I shoot my XD better than my 1911 and in infinitely more concealable.
However, in the car, I don't need to worry about concealing it in my person, so the size is not an issue.

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OH is the same.
The gun was not pointed -directly- at him, but in the direction of the door.
Safety first, you know.

 

You saw a weapon, i did not. I was, however, trapped in place as I had no way to move or exit the vehicle.

 

My, but you do blather incessantly when you have no logical or factual recourse to support your beliefs! Your two quotes are laughable as 1. a generalized boy scout creed does not apply to the adult world of guns and crime with regards to civilian arming themselves.....we have the 2nd amendment, police departments, state and federal gun laws that determine the levels of civilian weaponry. Please read the thread carefully, as this has been addressed time and again with regards to the contradictory nature of Noir's video.

And I've already addressed the absurd comparison of fire extinguishers and guns. Go back and read it, as I tire of repeating myself to willfully ignorant NRA flunkies.

 

Translation: Korben's source was debunked factually and logically with valid source material, and he doesn't like it. So he just spews sour grapes and lame insults before beating a hasty retreat. Pity Korben doesn't have the intellectual honesty to concede a point. Oh well, life goes on!

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=429585&p=1065544353#post1065544353

 

Apparently, I did have a meaningful response....you just don't like it because you cannot logically or factually refute/disprove it. And for your education....a generalized denial of an article content is NOT a logical, point for point disproving of said article. YOUR OPINION IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR FACT. So READ the article, and then explain to the reading audience how it does NOT disprove your previous contention. I'll wait.

 

And yet, this fellow notes the strange relation to SILVEIRA v. LOCKYER:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x62407

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 3



The 10 states with the least restrictive gun laws

The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence has developed a point system that measures the relative strength of all 50 states' gun laws with states gaining points for laws that are strict and states losing points for laws that are more lenient.

This list focused on the 10 U.S. states with the least restrictive gun laws.

States gain points for laws that require universal background checks, limit bulk firearms purchases and other similar gun laws. States lose points for laws that allow hidden, loaded guns in schools and in bars, allow concealed weapons in public without a permit and other similar laws.

The Gun Death Rank indicates the number of gun related deaths the state has had in comparison with the other 50 states.

The state constitutional provisions and other state laws are quoted from NRA-ILA.

This list focuses on gun laws enacted after the 2012 Sandy Hook shootings.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3430/0/The-10-states-with-the-least-restrictive-gun-laws.html

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We're talking about crime, but here's something for you to chew on that I educated a like minded compadre on:


The 10 states with the least restrictive gun laws

The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence has developed a point system that measures the relative strength of all 50 states' gun laws with states gaining points for laws that are strict and states losing points for laws that are more lenient.

This list focused on the 10 U.S. states with the least restrictive gun laws.

States gain points for laws that require universal background checks, limit bulk firearms purchases and other similar gun laws. States lose points for laws that allow hidden, loaded guns in schools and in bars, allow concealed weapons in public without a permit and other similar laws.

The Gun Death Rank indicates the number of gun related deaths the state has had in comparison with the other 50 states.

The state constitutional provisions and other state laws are quoted from NRA-ILA.

This list focuses on gun laws enacted after the 2012 Sandy Hook shootings.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3430/...-gun-laws.html

 

Sorry son, but you're not going to BS your way out of this. This is how it went:

I provided EXACTLY what you said. Like it or not, your complaints about individual state requirements IS NOT TANTAMOUNT TO CONFISCATION. Hell, the Washington, DC law you're so hyped about doesn't exist anymore! I didn't "misconstrue" a damned thing. You were wrong....MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

Of course none of the left wing, knee jerk loons will ever agree with this true logic.

 

The only BS here is you mistaking what you are reading.

No claim was made about confiscation, nor would there be any law for me to pull out to show you as you asked for.

I was clearly stating that confiscation ASIDE you can hamper gun owners and get a similar result. Not sure what you are having such a hard time with. Nowhere was I claiming anything about legal confiscation.
That's how it went.

Peddle your BS elsewhere....son.