Bernie sanders: Climate change is directly related to terrorism

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  1. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/14/bernie-sanders-climate-change-directly-related-terrorism/

    Islam is the glue which, not only bonds terrorists together, it motivates them even to the extent of strapping bombs on children. Yet, here we have Sanders ranting about Climate Change being "directly related to the growth of terrorism" without the first mention of Islam, much less radical Islam. That's some crazy stuff there.

    Here's the deal; climate change didn't murder 150 or more in Paris, hasn't beheaded anyone, raped anyone or flown jetliners into buildings. There's never been a video released by terrorists threatening to kill more people because of the weather, lack of water or anything remotely connected to the climate. So, how can Sanders, or anyone else for that matter, be taken seriously when they evade the most obvious relationship, Islam, for ME terrorism while making the far-fetched claim that Climate change has a direct relationship? And, not just a relationship, but that climate change, not terrorism, poses the "biggest" threat to our national security!? Is there any evidence for that claim? Any at all? NO! Nada! Yet, there is unquestionable evidence that Islam, not only is thee central theme of terrorism but that because Western Culture stands in stark opposition the doctrines of Islam terrorist are hellbent on attacking & destroyiong the US! That's the reality.
     
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    Let me be as brief as I can - he's right; you're wrong. Because if people's lives are threatened by climatic changes, then their religion really doesn't matter when they go a bit off their nut to feed/clothe/shelter themselves and their families.
     
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    I stubbed my toe the other day, is that because of climate change?

    I can't believe otherwise smart people would buy this crap...

    Let me guess - when he gets bounced in the primary it will be because of "climate change" and when Hillary gets smoked in the general it will either be because of "climate change" or Misogyny??
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We know one thing for sure, whatever Bernie was smoking when he said that is some GOOOOD stuff.
     
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    LOL, drones that buy into this crap are so dumb its not even funny anymore. We need to get these people some help....
     
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    Jihad has nothing to do with the Climate.. So no you and Sanders are completely wrong.
     
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    Desperate people do desperate things; some even became Commies and Nazis. Imagine that.
     
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    Yes desperate people do desperate things and your comments along with Sanders are proof of this.
     
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    Even as Europe wrestles over how to absorb the migrant tide, experts warn that the flood is likely to get worse as climate change becomes a driving factor.

    From 2006 to 2011, large swaths of Syria suffered an extreme drought that, according to climatologists, was exacerbated by climate change. The drought lead to increased poverty and relocation to urban areas, according to a recent report by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences and cited by Scientific American. “That drought, in addition to its mismanagement by the Assad regime, contributed to the displacement of two million in Syria,” says Francesco Femia, of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Climate and Security. “That internal displacement may have contributed to the social unrest that precipitated the civil war. Which generated the refugee flows into Europe.” And what happened in Syria, he says, is likely to play out elsewhere going forward.

    Security analysts say they are already seeing the impact, particularly in migration patterns from northern Africa and the Sahel region, which is the band of farmland just below the Sahara desert. “All the indicators seem to fairly solidly convey that climate change — desertification and lack of water, or floods, are massively contributing to human mobility,” says Michael Werz, a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress policy group in Washington, D.C. Syrians and Afghans may make up the largest number of refugees flooding into Europe right now, but Africans from the Sahel are not far behind. “No one is saying ‘I’d better pack my stuff and go to Europe because I expect CO2 emissions to rise,’” he says. But the knock on effects — failed crops, ailing livestock and localized conflicts over resources—are already driving residents of the Sahel northward to flee poverty. Libya’s collapse has opened the doors wide for migrants, and the smugglers who ship them across the Mediterranean to Europe.

    http://time.com/4024210/climate-change-migrants/
     
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    I would love for you to prove this by posting something from ISIS or any other Muslim terror group about their concerns of climate change.
     
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    Some climatologists blame everything on Climate change its their bread and butter.

    You use experts who then use terms like "may have" and then you treat it as gospel...

    You also ignore all the people going to Syria to fight in this *ahem* civil war... Are they going there because of "Climate Change" as well?
     
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    The soil is no good for farming, the water is in short supply and the whole region will be too hot to support human life by the end of the century. That's not a recipe for prosperity and when large numbers of people are poor, they start to lash out. In America they turn to gangs, in Europe anarchists and fascists and in the mideast Jihadist groups. Funny that only militant atheists and radical Christians play the religious card. I guess reality doesn't play into your sectarian rhetoric.
     
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    "Offensive Jihad" (as opposed to "Defensive Jihad") is jihad to expand Dar al-Islam (the realm of Islam), transforming Dar al-Harb (the realm of war, i.e. the non-Muslim world) into Dar al-Islam and establish Islamic social order, sharia law. (These world divisions were derived by Islamic jurists, but not mentioned in the Qur'an or collections of hadith.[16]) An example of this kind of jihad is described in the famous fatwa "Defence of the Muslim Lands, The First Obligation After Iman" calling for jihad in Afghanistan written by Islamist cleric Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.[17] Azzam describes Offensive Jihad as Fard Kifaya, (a collective duty of Muslims) rather than Fard Ayn (an individual duty), and thus a lower priority than defensive jihad:

    Where the Kuffar [non-Muslims] are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes Fard Kifaya with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard borders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorise the enemies of Allah. It is a duty of the Imam [leader of the Muslim community] to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war once or twice every year. Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, and if he does not send an army he is in sin. - And the Ulama have mentioned that this type of jihad is for maintaining the payment of Jizya [tax on non-Muslims].[17]

    According to another source, (Richard Edwards and Sherifa Zuhur), offensive jihad was the type of jihad practiced by the early Muslim community, because their weakness meant "no defensive action would have sufficed to protect them against the allied tribal forces determined to exterminate them." Jihad as a collective duty (Fard Kifaya) and offensive jihad are synonymous in classical Islamic law and tradition, which also asserted that offensive jihad could only be declared by the caliph, but an "individually incumbent jihad" (Fard Ayn) required only "awareness of an oppression targeting Islam or Islamic peoples."[18]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadism#Terminology

    Dont you see Climate change all over that? ;)
     
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    Wahhabi extremists and the perversion of Islam has occurred throughout history; all of that pre GW which has been the last 10 or so years. The ISIS caliphate movement has been doing on for hundreds of years; before the industrial revolution.

    Terrorism itself as we define it today has no link to the unknown billions of dollar GW movement. Bernie is simply using a tragedy as part of the far left narrative... fairly despicable if anyone but the left does it but perfectly fine for fruit-loop Bernie. Now I guess the 128 (or is it 129 deaths) can be attributed to GW to give more credence to the media propaganda.

    So perhaps the new narrative will be: Becomes a vegetarian, cut your carbon output and go green or you'll continue to cause climate change, which in turn causes the ME to grow less, which makes people poor, which therefore pisses them off, which pushes them toward Wahhabism, which then causes them to hate the West, which then makes these people seek out terrorist organizations and forces them to terrorists camps which teach them how and why they should kill innocent people, who then carry out such suicidal acts, which therefore incite others to do the same.

    All because you eat meat. You bastards.

    :eyepopping:
     
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    One would think the would be blaming terrorism by now - and in a weird twist they would be right...

    Anyone ever notice democrats always are trying to blame someone or something?

    Honestly whoever wins the primary and is nominated - then promptly loses will blame the other candidate for their failures and surely republicans to boot.
     
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    Show us the data supporting your belief that Islamic terrorists are comprised from the ranks of the poor and destitute.

    They aren't.

    They are composed from the ranks of well-educated middle and even upper classes.
     
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    Do you have any evidence that even a single terrorist was motivated by the need to feed, clothe, or shelter their families? Of course you don't because there is no evidence. Osama Bin Laden was extremely wealthy, The 9-11 hijackers were upper middle class individuals, most of whom had college education. They came from some of the wealthiest countries in the world. No, Bernie Sanders' comments just aren't rooted in reality. But thanks for letting us know that your views are as reality related as Bernie Sanders.

    By the way, more of the Middle East is arable land today than at any other time in human history.
     
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    The guy is literally off his rocker.Which is bad enough for a former mayor and
    college prof.But for a major political candidate running for POTUS.
    I'm not sure what he believes he's tapped into.Maybe some new generation of
    budding Trotskyites like we had during the radical 60's.But that was truly a
    Sea Change decade.The Music,the hair,the clothes and even advertising was
    re-invented almost Totally.Even Blacks went from being Republicans to trying out
    the democrat party.Those days are over.But yes the radicals of that decade are now
    seniors and again given to making trouble.Many of who were behind - Occupy Wall
    Street - using 60's radicals as both inspiration and also as advisors.
    Little known but reported by Forbes in 2011 was one of the originators of
    - Occupy -.It was a Canadian,aged 69 whose lived in Vancouver since his 30's
    and spent a year in the U.S. { in the 60's } being radicalized.Probably in San
    Fransico.His name is Kalle Lasn and he's publisher and editor of Adbusters
    magazine.An artsy fartsy somewhat small yet critical publication that
    has inspired what it calls it's " culture jammers ". - Occupy - was driven
    by the rage that unfolded in Tunisia.Like the way Hillary tried to mount an
    Arab Spring mindset here in the states.
    Sanders,too,is acting out of a movement and a mindset.However you can't
    just advertise a movement like you can a new brand of beer.Movements,especially
    Mass Movements are the result of grievances and frustrations and personality
    traits.As written in Eric Hoffer's - The True Believer -.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ask any of these nutters { like Grizz } when was the last time climate beheaded
    a human.Or Raped them as teens.Or Crucified them at the cross.Depending on the
    wind that day,maybe placing the Cross upside down.Or putting ones beheading on
    a fence post lining a roadway.Or strapping bombs on themselves to blow apart
    a bus or at a Café.At Least a Hurricane gives notice.Plus bad weather has been
    around since the dawn of man.
    making the weather the new boogeyman on the block is just blockheaded.
    And BTW ... what are these Global Warming/Climate Change Freaks intend on
    doing to control climate.The Sun is The biggest factor in heat.Can't just boogeyman
    the sun like say them lefties did Dick Cheney.Tick off Mother Nature and maybe get
    more bad weather.I wonder what Mother Nature intends doing about all these climate
    bullies.
     
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    The Pentagon agrees with Senator Sanders!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html

    Pentagon Signals Security Risks of Climate Change


    WASHINGTON — The Pentagon on Monday released a report asserting decisively that climate change poses an immediate threat to national security, with increased risks from terrorism, infectious disease, global poverty and food shortages. It also predicted rising demand for military disaster responses as extreme weather creates more global humanitarian crises.
    The report lays out a road map to show how the military will adapt to rising sea levels, more violent storms and widespread droughts. The Defense Department will begin by integrating plans for climate change risks across all of its operations, from war games and strategic military planning situations to a rethinking of the movement of supplies.
    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, speaking Monday at a meeting of defense ministers in Peru, highlighted the report’s findings and the global security threats of climate change.

    “The loss of glaciers will strain water supplies in several areas of our hemisphere,” Mr. Hagel said. “Destruction and devastation from hurricanes can sow the seeds for instability. Droughts and crop failures can leave millions of people without any lifeline, and trigger waves of mass migration.”

    The report is the latest in a series of studies highlighting the national security risks of climate change. But the Pentagon’s characterization of it as a present-day threat demanding immediate action represents a significant shift for the military, which has in the past focused on climate change as a future risk.


    The Original DoD report link;

    http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-View/Article/612710

    So on one side we have kneejerk climate change deniers and on the other we have adults like Sanders and the Pentagon.

    Who is more credible?


     
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    Let me be brief, he's full of it. When are you clowns on the left going to get real, stop denying reality and quit living in la-la land. I presented hard evidence, where's yours? Where's Bernies?
     
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    Niot sure he needs to smoke. He seems fried for life.

    - - - Updated - - -

    They don't want help, they want us to shut-up. Truth gives them a headache.
     
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    Climate Change is merely a movement to keep lefties and bullies
    occupied.And for those like Obama { already has a carbon credit financial
    institution ready to exchange rate into his account carbon credit tax
    monies.} Like Gore set-up.Who stands to become wealthy from the institution
    of carbon credits.Those biggest of Climate Change advocates like Maurice Strong
    and Al Gore.Also the Chicago Climate Exchange where Strong is a board member.
    Strong and Gore are global warming partners.Strong is a silent partner.
    It's been reported that Obama has links to a Chicago Bank that will be
    influential if carbon Credits are made law and traded.
     
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    This is not a new mantra for the DoD under Obama. Obama (attempting to look manly) proclaimed as much when he went to Alaska & soon he'll go off the charts making doomsday claims in Paris at the Global Climate Summit. However, he, nor Bernie, nor the DoD can provide one once of practical evidence terrorism is linked to climate change. None, zip, zilch, nada. I have & the terrorists themselves have made their motives & intentions very clear. Hint: no mention of climate change. So, who's the real denier here? Me? I mean, I'm only stating the facts & what every terrorist on the planet would agree with and that's their faith, Islam, is their soul motive. So, I'll ask again, who's the real denier here?
     
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    That of course would be the fastest way to put this Sanders Climate Change effects
    Terrorism load of bull to rest.Just cite one example where Isis { yes isis does network it's
    wants and demands } mentioned Climate Change.
     

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