Republicans Again Looking Like Bums On Obamacare!

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  1. Penrod

    Penrod Well-Known Member

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    Thats why insurance is the problem not the cure. Why do you want a middle man between you and you Dr. Why would you want to add another by using the government? Anything the government subsidizes raise the cost or price of that thing. Like housing, college tuition and medical care.

    Everyone is entitled to healthcare not health insurance. At least thats how it used to be.

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    What if your self employed? What if your the employer?
     
  2. Penrod

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    Baloney. The main cost driver was Medicare/Medicaid and the advances in medical technology. Im telling you it costs more to insure everyone than to pay only when they show up at the ER. Maybe you can prove me wrong. Insurance companies want to make a profit. That means added healthcare costs.

    How many of you want the government in charge of your healthcare ? Single payer leads to a 2 tiered system where the poor get crappy care and those who have money get great care. It also kills innovation. Theres a reason the US leads the world in this
     
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    And then paying taxes
     
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    Federal income taxes aren't the only thing that funds them
     
  5. rahl

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    Uh, no you didn't pay for that. Medicaid is for poor people who can't afford insurance.

    So you are a parasite who refuses to better himself and would rather leach off the American taxpayers? I thought conservatives didn't like that?

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    So we can add the word "most" to the long list of,things you don't know the meaning of?

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    The US is 37thnin healthcare.
     
  6. Penrod

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    With tax payer money
     
  7. Penrod

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    I paid with the taxes I paid for over 50 years

    I never asked for medicaid and like I said I paid my dues.

    I understand most Im simply showing the exceptions

    Thats depends on how you look at it

    We lead the world in many places

    1. Most preemptive cancer screening

    2. Highest rate of cancer survival

    3. Best treatment of chronic disease

    4. Most identification and treatment of psychological disease

    5. Most advanced equipment per capita

    6. Highest pay attracts the best doctors

    7. Most advanced research

    If you have the money, US health care is nonpareil

    America embraces the idea that you get what you pay for.

    If you are in the upper-middle class and can afford good health insurance, then you have access to the biggest network of World's biggest network hospitals, specialists, and technology.


    If you are sick this is the place to come.
     
  8. rahl

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    I find this post highly hypocritical, since you are leaching off the tax payers for your health care

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    Since you refuse to use the quote function I won't bother replying to every point here. You didn't pay your dues for Medicaid. We are 37th in the world for healthcare. Almost every first world country does it better
     
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    I started paying taxes around 1955 and federal income taxes in 1964. Im still paying taxes like you said. So do you oppose medicaid?

    You wont reply because you cant. Those stats are cost adjusted.
     
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    Who can we trust to run our healthcare system?
     
  11. rahl

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    I oppose conservatives who (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about people leaching off the system, leaching off the system.

    I have no idea what this means.
     
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    Do you honestly believe that people on Medicaid get the best of healthcare like the rich people do?

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    Plus all of the stockholders that invest in it too.

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    That is already happening now.
     
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    They have the same access to care as rich people.
     
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    Medicaid does not allow many drugs compared to other plans nor do they cover as many procedures as other plans do. It is the insurance companies that dictate how providers of healthcare can perform their job, not the other way around.
     
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    How is medicade/medicare driving up the costs of services in healthcare ?

    Again, all due respect but we had that very system where we only paid for services when they were delivered and it didn't work. The 15-20% increases have been happening since the 90's. Obamacare didn't create that growth

    I agree that insurance companies provide nothing, and take to much of the profit. I completely agree. Which is another great argument for government run single payer. Medicade and Medicare have the lowest administrative costs of ANY healthcare insurance. So why not move to that model ? Now to be clear, I am not advocating and will never advocate for government run healthcare, but I do advocate for single payer.

    Stoping at single payer will drive down costs of healthcare by setting price controls. But THAT is exactly why the right wont allow it to happen. So the right sees that costs are out of control, but refuse to even discuss how to control them......do you see the irony in that position
     
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    Medicaid allows the same life saving drugs and procedures as private insurance.
     
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    Using that convoluted logic if you rob a store , you are a valued customer ! :roflol:
     
  18. rahl

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    No, not at all
     
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    Provide any evidence that we have the best healthcare in the world. Actual data of cost or results would be acceptable but of course unavailable because your assumption is totally unprovable.
     
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    That is unimaginably idiotic. If you really believe everyone in America has the same quality of healthcare the possibility of intelligent discussion is nill.
     
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    "Claiming a Tax Deduction for Medical and Dental Expenses


    IRS Tax Tip 2015-31, March 4, 2015

    Your medical expenses may save you money at tax time, but a few key rules apply. Here are some tax tips to help you determine if you can claim a tax deduction:

    You must itemize. You can only claim your medical expenses that you paid for in 2014 if you itemize deductions on your federal tax return. If you take the standard deduction, you can’t claim these expenses.

    AGI threshold. You include all the qualified medical costs that you paid for during the year. However, you can only deduct the amount that is more than 10 percent of your adjusted gross income."
     
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    The US leads the world in crappy care? That is actually true but in case you have been asleep for the last five decades we don't have a single payer healthcare system.
     
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    Obamacare is a disaster. Democrats looking like bums?
     
  24. Troianii

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    Probably different polling sets.

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    There are some aspects of the law which are popular, and could be passed into law after repealing Obamacare. We don't need to keep the vast majority of the law, which is unpopular, in order to save the good parts, not any more than we would need to extend tax cuts for the rich in order to give or maintain tax cuts for the poor.
     
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    Well, illegal immigration by those wanting to stay here has been flat for a number of years now.

    So, it's not perfect, but labeling illegal entry as a huge problem is nonsense.
     

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