Republicans Again Looking Like Bums On Obamacare!

In single-payer systems politicians have no say in care delivery.

 

Yours is one of the better posts on this thread.

I seriously doubt whether more than one or two people who have bought insurance throught the exchanges is even on this thread.

Most of these people are retired, or have employer provided health insurance. They have no idea how the exchanges work, other than what they are fed by right wing media (which has consistantly lied to them on the topic).

Nor, would I wager, are there any people who had to buy individual health insurance both before and after the ACA got passed.

If they had, they'd know that the ACA has been a huge boon to people who are working poor, and sole proprietor self employed people, the two classes most frequently punished by the American health insurance system.

My wife was turned down by three of the four insurance companies that write in our state for a "pre existing condition" (which was that a doctor once ordered a stress test, which she passed), The one company that would insure her wanted over $1000 a month for a $5000 deductible policy.

Enter the ACA, and we were both able to purchase a high deductible policy for $919 a month that covered both of us. That's a better than 50% savings, without a subsidy.

These people have no idea how much health insurance really costs in this country because they don't pay it out of their own pockets. I've seen many a right winger here boast about what they pay without understanding that they pay only a small portion of their actual premium

I would support the GOP idea that they call "selling across state lines", but only if health insurance was totally Federally regulated. Create a national marketplace, and adminstrative costs would go down.

But the GOP won't support that, They want what they did for credit cards in the 1980's. They want to set up a system that allows the insurers to rush to the states with the weakest regulations.

 

Good to hear that you would never support increasing military spending!

 

Support for the ACA is picking up.

With only 30% of people in favor of repealing the law this is an issue the Republicans can only lose on.

 

If you created a national marketplace for health insurance without the requirement that coverage has to be available to everyone at the same price it will just allow insurers to pick and choose who they will cover in order to maximize profits. End result would probably be much lower rates for those who don't need insurance and severely decreased availability and much higher costs for older people, people with pre-existing conditions and eventually people with genetic pre-dispositions to illness.

 

Wow, all of that over something the majority of Americans didn't want to begin with and according to the polls is hurting close to twice as many people as it has helped. Yep, seven years and the majority of Americans are still opposed to it.

 

Lol...No, you prefer some corporate bureaucrat, whose first interest is in making the most profit he can from you, telling you what can be insured.
Private insurance is the most stupid form of socialism you can choose.
And universal healthcare doesn't limit people.
If they want to buy additional insurance on top of the national health service, they could do so.

 

You prefer corporate bureaucrats giving you the bad news. I don't know. At least you can elect a new politician if your condition isn't being covered.

 

All of the major insurances companies are using our premiums to invest and insuring foreign markets and this is not right. They are investing in commercial mortgages and equipment in the U.S. The insurance industry has become so big that they are now making us get renter's insurance and insurance on storage units. When does it stop?

They don't have to pay 80% on healthcare claims until you meet your yearly deductible and most people will never meet that deductible year to year. Many people in their 50's are getting fired and have to find low paying jobs until they reach retirement age and they have to buy insurance which is a minimum of $5,000 a year for single coverage with a large deductible. They have no choice but to use their 401K money to pay for it.

We are at a point where the insurance companies are taking way more they give back so we did to eliminate them. Our money should go directly to the providers of care without any middlemen taking a big piece of our healthcare dollars.

 

Sounds like you reach all the limits( $6,500 on AGI of $65,000 ) and get a few pennies back for the overage , you do NOT get dollar for dollar back only a percentage ! And you are charged the following year as a reimbursement .
So you get screwed twice ! being a good union man you know your company cant wait for Obama’s Cadillac tax to kick in , which should make those contracts harder to settle !
Let's see how that works out every month on that budget -
Medical expenses = 800 , Food = 850 , Mortgage and taxes = 1400 , (Gas , electric , water) = 350 , Transportation = 950 , Child care = 600 , Taxes (State/ Federal) = 450 , 401k = 550 , Education expenses = 500 , Life insurance = 50 , Social Security tax = 475 , Clothing =180 , Savings = 375 , New furniture = 50 , Entertainment = 250 , Union dues = 45 Total expenses = $ 7875 Total income = 5417
SHORTFALL EVERY MONTH = ( - 2458 )
Dude are you paying those union dues ? Hell you would do better on welfare !

 

Or what I have to insure and where I have to insure it

 

The main reason the cost of our drugs are so high is because under Obamacare there was no negotiation the price is the price horsesh*t . Now for those working it's going to get worst BUT for those on fixed incomes , retirees it's beyond manageable . And for those that never worked or even cared to , they make out again !

"This desire for equity must not lead to an excess of welfare, where nobody is responsible for anything."
Jacques Delors

 

No we wanted his bad ideas to fail as we knew they would. In fact we never wanted them instituted

 

Your medicare will go up and your using an insurance company. How do you believe your better off trusted to the tender mercies of the federal government.

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Yup those receiving the subsidies and free healthcare are going to like it. Those paying for them not so much.

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Yup those receiving the subsidies and free healthcare are going to like it. Those paying for them not so much.

 

Ayuh,... So yer brother is a low life welfare bum,..??

 

What if you dont pay taxes like most people ?

 

Ayuh,.... Yer right, those decisions are left to unaccountable bureaucrats,....

 

What do you think happens when the insurance companies and the government get together and make a deal saying you must buy their product? Are they going to now lower prices ?

 

Everyone pays taxes

 

Nope your better off paying yourself. You will even get a discount. Medical insurance should only be for catastrophic care. Insurance is the problem not the cure. Imagine of the government required you to insure your car for all eventualities including changing your oil and tires. The cost would be prohibitive

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Who makes the laws concerning this then?

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Not only that it was passed on the lie that it was not a tax.

 

How is private socialism ? The ACA is socialism.


Then why are there those long waiting lines and refused procedures under it in nations like Canada and Britain ?

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Not federal that they will receive a rebate on which is what he was referring to

 

Like so many other things, you seem to,have nominees what socialism is.

There are long wait times and refused procedures in the US both before and after the ACA.

then you should probably be more specific.

 

Well I dont know what nominees is but i do know what socialism is.

The lines are shorter here and were shorter before Obamacare

Most people are smart enough to know what Im talking about

 

Using an iPad which uses auto correct, my apologies. But no, you have no idea what socialism means if you think the ACA is in any way socialism.

No,they aren't and no they weren't.

Not many people can tell what you are talking about. When you make the statement "most people don't pay taxes" that is a factually incorrect statement. If you meant federal income taxes then you need to say so.

 

It was not a tax, if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor, if you liked your insurance you could keep your insurance etc. etc. etc.