Turkey Closed Straits - Russia Blockaded - Has World War III Begun?

You guys are real funny, I mean literally funny, because every time I read posts from certain users about Turkey makes me laugh or at least giggle. I can't believe how desperate and miserable some people are. Mr. Spilled Milk:

Source: http://www.invest.gov.tr/en-US/info...-fdi-into-turkey-up-22-pct-jan-july-2015.aspx

Chart from a different source: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/turkey/foreign-direct-investment

I further investigated and found something rather sad though.

Armenia FDI:

From the same source above: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/armenia/foreign-direct-investment

Greece FDI:

http://www.enterprisegreece.gov.gr/default.asp?pid=21

As we can see, Turkey's two neighbors have never been any close to it's FDI levels in the duration of last 10 years, not even when it was suffering heavy effects of global crisis in 2009. Turkey has good FDI levels this year as well despite its "negative" credit ratings (Greece has rating even below Pakistan BTW). Armenia is no comparison whatsoever, I know, but I added it just to show how trade sanctions from both Turkish nations; Azerbaijan and Turkey, has been literally killing Armenia. It's no surprise 65% of the Armenian population today living under 4$ a day, which's not even worth a pack of reds in Walgreens. I guess this explains very well why Sarkisian relentlessly imprisoning and oppressing the opposition in Armenia recently. The more the Armenian government keep up with the sick minded revenge politics, the more Armenia sink deep in sh.it; well, many thank's to Spilled Milk kind of moronic analogical perspectives toward human history and international relations. LoL... Greece on the other hand, follow a relevantly smart course and opens up, tries hard to eliminate the status quo that long been dwelling in country's foreign politics and long kept it away from it's most powerful neighbor. They watch "Turkish" tv shows, franchises, and series now, (like Magnificent Century) and according to statistics they enjoy it a lot. Unlike some users in here hate Ottomans, apparently Greeks like it very much. Maybe they missed the good ole days, who knows

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-gloom-idUSTRE80418M20120105

If a country has gained the ability to conduct "soft power" along with hard power against its rivals, that means it at least becomes a regional power.

This is bonus from Russia. P.s: It's even sadder.

Russia FDI:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-direct-investment

 

And Cincinnati don't forget Cincinnati

 

I respectfully disagree with you that Turkey has the ability to defeat Russia... period. I'm astounded that anyone living in 2015 could believe such a thing. And if your prediction that Turkey can easily defeat Russia is predicated on NATO participation, I would definitely try to dissuade your belief in such a fantasy.

Believe me: NATO is NOT going to go war with Russia to defend Turkey in the deliberate, premeditated destruction of a Russian warplane on a mission to fight ISIS terrorists and their supporters.

 

Russia was not able to defeat tiny Georgia in 8 days after a long time of preparation, even though it was officially stated goal of the war to oust Saakashvili. What can it do about huge and powerful Turkey? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

 

Don't play that much play station dude.
Nobody wants war but if there will be war,it will not be like those computer games. Be sure about that.

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I just read that among 79046 vessels which have passed thorugh Turkish straits, 4540 of them were with Russian flags in first 11 months of 2015.

 

First of all, welcome to this Forum. I think you'll find more than enough individuals who are well informed & fair minded to make up for those who are not. Just because people may oppose the actions of the Turkish government and / or its leader doesn’t necessarily mean that they are “anti-Turkish”

I spent several months in Turkey & found its people to be as kind & generous as the country, itself, is rich in archeological treasures, great food, wine & beer as well as having a fascinating & diverse landscape. I remember taking a long train ride (3rd Class) from Istanbul to Erzurum (I think, it's been a long time ago, 1973) & then walking & hitch hiking to Adana. I remember that the steam locomotive was made by Krupp in 1911 & quickly learned why everyone suddenly gets up to close their window after being hit by an old woman with a dead chicken for not closing mine* ("Assault Chicken"?)

It seems that Major Western Media has related the story of the downed Russian Fighter - Bomber as Turkey's fault or with Turkey's complicity, so many people are simply relating the side of the story they've been told without a Turkish perspective.

Also, there are a disproportionate number of Pro Zionist - Pro Israel comment writers because Israel's government is the only one I know of that recruits, trains & pays individuals to write pro Zionist - pro Israel Hasbara [1] comments.

Ever since Erdoğan strongly condemned Israel's massacre of civilians aboard the Mavi Marmara & other Israeli atrocities, these pro Israel - pro Zionist Comment writers (paid & unpaid) are hostile to Turkey.

At this time, I feel that the Turkish government along with the US, Israel & Qatar are supporting the Balkanization of Syria for different reasons however, I don’t feel Turkey is among the major & long term supporters of ISIL / Daesh. I also feel that there’s not enough reliable Intel. yet to express an informed opinion on the status of the alleged closing of the Bosporus
Again, welcome to this Forum & I look forward to reading your comments.


Thanks







* smoke & sparks fly in open windows with steam locomotives

[1] “Israel’s Information Ops”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israels-information-ops/

EXCERPTS “ But the American public in particular should be aware of the extraordinary efforts that Israel and its supporters make to present a crafted and coordinated image through the media, particularly by way of the Internet.

The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.”

The hasbara comments are noticeable as they tend to sound like boilerplate....
...Students are paid as much as $2,000 monthly to work the online targets.
the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and they never indicate that they are Israelis or working on behalf of the Israeli government.

They tend to repeat over and over again sound bites of pseudo-information, most recently maintaining falsely that Hamas had started the “war” and that Israel was only defending itself.
The commenters operate in the belief that if something is repeated often enough in many different places it will ipso facto gain some credibility and create doubts regarding contrary points of view."CONTINUED



“Israel Hires Internet Soldiers to Penetrate American Forums, Chatrooms”
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/22...diers-to-penetrate-american-forums-chatrooms/

EXCERPT ““Israel hires Internet soldiers,” Israeli students and demobilized soldiers get paid to pretend they are just regular folks and leave pro-Israel comments online. Israeli Foreign Ministry Deputy Elan Shturman is quoted from the Israeli Occupation Magazine saying:
Quote:
“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.””CONTINUED

 

First of all, welcome to this Forum. I think you'll find more than enough individuals who are well informed & fair minded to make up for those who are not. Just because people may oppose the actions of the Turkish government and / or its leader doesn’t necessarily mean that they are “anti-Turkish”

I spent several months in Turkey & found its people to be as kind & generous as the country, itself, is rich in archeological treasures, great food, wine & beer as well as having a fascinating & diverse landscape. I remember taking a long train ride (3rd Class) from Istanbul to Erzurum (I think, it's been a long time ago, 1973) & then walking & hitch hiking to Adana. I remember that the steam locomotive was made by Krupp in 1911 & quickly learned why everyone suddenly gets up to close their window after being hit by an old woman with a dead chicken for not closing mine* ("Assault Chicken"?)

It seems that Major Western Media has related the story of the downed Russian Fighter - Bomber as Turkey's fault or with Turkey's complicity, so many people are simply relating the side of the story they've been told without a Turkish perspective.

Also, there are a disproportionate number of Pro Zionist - Pro Israel comment writers because Israel's government is the only one I know of that recruits, trains & pays individuals to write pro Zionist - pro Israel Hasbara [1] comments.

Ever since Erdoğan strongly condemned Israel's massacre of civilians aboard the Mavi Marmara & other Israeli atrocities, these pro Israel - pro Zionist Comment writers (paid & unpaid) are hostile to Turkey.

At this time, I feel that the Turkish government along with the US, Israel & Qatar are supporting the Balkanization of Syria for different reasons however, I don’t feel Turkey is among the major & long term supporters of ISIL / Daesh. I also feel that there’s not enough reliable Intel. yet to express an informed opinion on the status of the alleged closing of the Bosporus
Again, welcome to this Forum & I look forward to reading your comments.


Thanks







* smoke & sparks fly in open windows with steam locomotives

[1] “Israel’s Information Ops”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israels-information-ops/

EXCERPTS “ But the American public in particular should be aware of the extraordinary efforts that Israel and its supporters make to present a crafted and coordinated image through the media, particularly by way of the Internet.

The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.”

The hasbara comments are noticeable as they tend to sound like boilerplate....
...Students are paid as much as $2,000 monthly to work the online targets.
the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and they never indicate that they are Israelis or working on behalf of the Israeli government.

They tend to repeat over and over again sound bites of pseudo-information, most recently maintaining falsely that Hamas had started the “war” and that Israel was only defending itself.
The commenters operate in the belief that if something is repeated often enough in many different places it will ipso facto gain some credibility and create doubts regarding contrary points of view."CONTINUED



“Israel Hires Internet Soldiers to Penetrate American Forums, Chatrooms”
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/22...diers-to-penetrate-american-forums-chatrooms/

EXCERPT ““Israel hires Internet soldiers,” Israeli students and demobilized soldiers get paid to pretend they are just regular folks and leave pro-Israel comments online. Israeli Foreign Ministry Deputy Elan Shturman is quoted from the Israeli Occupation Magazine saying:
Quote:
“Our people will not say: ‘Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.’ Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis,” he said. “They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed.””CONTINUED

 

Duplicate posts were unintentional

"grau"

 

Without US involvement, Russia would be able to beat Nato in a conventional war. ..and they know it. What Washington is doing is causing problems for Russia in the Caucasus and in Central Asia in places like Tajikistan and Krygistan. Russia's bombing campaign in Syria is to keep the terrorists from going home ...and this is probably the reason Washington was so half-hearted about fighting ISIS. They no doubt wanted them to return home to do their mischief.

The last time the sociopaths supported terrorists to kill Russians was in Chechnya, and Putin warned Washington that you can't support terrorists without it coming back to bite you. Well it did come back with 911, and it will be biting the EU and the US over and over again.
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Perfect explanation and descriptions. I as a Turk appreciate this post. I hope we can get to read a lot more of your comments. We definitely need more like you in here. My hat's off to you Sir !

Thank you.

 

LoL Turkish army enters Russia and invades Moscow, Russian govt. cannot even be aware of it until someones knock's presidential palace doors : )))

 

Yesterday two Turkish F-16 fighters tried to approach two Russian SU34 fighters in Syrian airspace where Turkey tried to impose its own no fly zone.

"...According to General Andrei Kartapolov manager of Russian enterprises in Syria, two Turkish F-16 invaded Syrian airspace in northern Syria in the region Ankara believes it has imposed a "no-flight-zone".

The Sukhoi immediately sent a warning to the Turkish military: "To the pilots of aircraft heading towards 274 FL 18500, if you do not leave this arena we will shoot you!"

The warning was repeated a second time: "To the pilots of aircraft heading towards 274 FL 18500, you entered airspace controlled by the Russian Air Force. If you do not leave we will shoot you!"

Immediately after the second warning the Turkish F-16 literally disappeared in Turkish airspace, and was then followed by the two Russian fighters for some seconds..."


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http://www.pronews.gr/portal/20151208/defencenet/ενοπλεσ-συγκρουσεισ/su-34-κατά-τουρκικών-f-16

 

I couldn't read anything at the link you provided because it was all in Greek (I think). My question would be, "Why didn't the Russians go ahead and shoot the Turks down? Or did they?" I guess not or that would have been all over the news.

 

Everything is good in its season.

 

Well, I must say, that post is truly one of the more unrealistic, simple-minded things I've read in several months... and that is saying a LOT. I'm not sure that anyone has ever invented a pill that can cure whatever must be wrong with you....

 

It must be drugs

 

I google translated it:

So at least the troll paid attention to the grammar errors of automated translation, and corrected them LoL...

 

But I wonder... do you suppose by some chance that the Turks actually believe that they could defeat Russia in a war?

 

Here is what I think.

Turkey has the big brother syndrome.

 

Four Russian un manned air vehicles shot down by rebels 2 days ago. Now all four vehicles are in Turkey : )))

 

http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-turkey-closes-the-bosphorus-and-dardanelless-for-russia/

 

It seems the Turks are trying to establish a no fly zone in Syria, and when told to leave by the Russians they did leave...otherwise they would have been shot down. I know when Turkish jets are in Greek waters and are told to leave they do leave. I also read the Israelis panicked when they first encountered the Russian jets in Syrian air space. After that incident Netanyahu ran to pay a visit to Putin with his Generals and they came to some kind of agreement.

As for the link it is in Greek. I use the google translation but its difficult to understand so I edit it a little bit before posting. They tend to exaggerate a little, but lately they have been very accurate and have been reporting things a day before other news sources. Also they give a good account of what's going on in Turkey, and which is hidden in the MSM as well as in the Turkish news.

 

That article is not very accurate in many things. There is no way Russia would deploy 150,000 troops in Syria unless it was passed in the Duma first. It sounds very much like the thousands of tanks and men that were invading Ukraine all the time. It finally reached a point where the German Intelligence agents began to question General Breedlove's sanity.

From what I know, the Russian cargo ships were not allowed to go through for a few days which can be very costly at a time when the market is very bad. That was probably the intent, but the excuse used was that they might mine the waters to block in the Turkish fleet. Anyway even what I'm stating here might not be completely the truth, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

hahaha... Yes, Turks are as much good at "leaving" as establishing no fly zones in the air flying mach speeds.