Not Obergefell the Supreme Court decision. You know- the only court decision that overturned any remaining bans on same gender marriage. The relevant Obergefell.
No- your argument has been overturned by the Supreme Court, making all of the rulings by courts that agree with your legally irrelevant.
Want to take a shot at convincing Doctor or Daniel? Ah geez, I hadn't heard. Cant imagine that ever making it through the current house and senate. WOULDNT THAT BE IRONIC if sexual orientation made it in before sex.
So, why don't you post some videos of you denying people service in Your place of business, those you feel are not protected under the Civil Rights act ?? Why don't you ???
Our American philosophy on this is that businesses are provided for by government in a gigantic way, plus they have special protection. Thus, it is legitimate for them to be required to serve everyone. Read about the American commons. We believe in capitalism (with modifications). The law under which business operates (employment, public accommodation, environment, safety, etc., etc.) defines a common platform for competition. Your suggestion that segregation will work itself out due to competition or some respect for higher moral grounds is utter nonsense as can be clearly seen throughout history - not just ours, but that of the world. These laws were put in place for a reason - the reason being that without them, bigotry, segregation and discrimination were rampant. And, that history proves we ABSOLUTELY need government on this issue, regardless of how embarrassing that may be to a nation that thinks of itself as being Christian.
Yeah, its the Obergefell that is left standing because the Supreme court overturned the sixth circuit court that ruled there was no violation of the constitution. It is the entire basis of their decision. Unlike marriage limited to men and women because only men and women procreate, which was repeatedly held to be constitutional, Obergefell declared that marriage limited to men and women, "simply because the majority of the voters don’t like homosexuality" that is unconstitutional.
I really don't see this as having more potential for irony than other forms of blatant discrimination that we have had to deal with. And, yes, it really is pretty easy to find bigots. For example, throughout significant regions of the US civil rights laws would have failed had they been put to a vote. Plus, there are more sources than the Civil Rights Act of '64 that I referenced.
Scalia noted in his Lawrence v Texas dissent that there was no longer a justification for denying same sex marriage. What happened isn't something new and surprising. If you want to discriminate, you have to cough up some sort of justification. On the other hand, today the key idea is that God wants people to discriminate against gays, so people should be allowed to do that!! But, were that to EVER be legitimized as a justification for ignoring the law, where does it lead? Did you ever read the Arizona bill that the governor vetoed? There, the legislature actually stated that they wanted every individual to be able to ignore pretty much any law that slowed them from what they personally considered the most effective expression of their personal religion - regardless of whether that personal religion matched any known or established religious beliefs. After all, there is no way for government to judge religion and there is little law that couldn't be seen by someone as breaking some obscure personal religious belief. So, if religious freedom dominates the law, what is left to stand against the legal argument of "the devil (in whom I as a Pagan believe) made me do it"?
Your view is populated with narrow-minded bias and foolishness. There's even a tinge of animus in there. I won't tolerate that BS these days. Goodbye.
For what purpose? To educate you on the law? It doesn't bother me if you remain ignorant as to the law.
There is no such thing as "Same Sex Marriage"....(*)(*)(*)(*) are against nature...the planet cannot survive without procreation...if the world turns to (*)(*)(*)(*)...the planet will die...
My bet is much of the old South is that way. It's not like they have a corner on bigotry by any means, but I like being around people who are at least trying to get over it.
That's ridiculous. 1) there are plenty of fickin human beings if you haven't noticed 2) homosexuality is estimated at 3-10% of the population... Not 100% 3) if some weird environmental condition caused every single human to be gay we would intentionally mate with the opposite sex to procreate 4) the likelihood of that happening is non existent
How can you prove that it isn't the same? All I know is I never chose to be a lesbian, I just was. I have memories going all the way back to 5 or 6 years old that I now realize were signs, but to a child who knew nothing about sexuality I had no idea. How can you prove my sexuality isn't just as natural or born as my white skin?
Where are you getting this bunk from? There most certainly is same sex marriage whether you like it or can deal with it or not. It is legal in the entire US and widely accepted socially Gay and lesbian people do in fact have children by a variety of means. They also adopt and care for children who have been abandoned , abused, and thrown away by the heterosexuals who birthed them. There are more heterosexuals who cannot, or chose not to have children than there are gay people who do not. Even if all gay people did not have children-which is not true as I have noted- their overall % of the population is too small to have any negative effect on population growth. In addition, that % has not changed throughout human history so there is no reason to believe that any 'impact " will be greater now or in the future. If the "planet is dying" it is because of to damned many people. your post is pure hog wash
Originally Posted by pwillie View Post ***There is no such thing as "Same Sex Marriage"....(*)(*)(*)(*) are against nature...the planet cannot survive without procreation...if the world turns to (*)(*)(*)(*)...the planet will die...*** ***I never ceased to be amazed at the total and complete ignorance or stupidity of some folks. For it is either ignorance or stupidity in the things they say or actually believe. Either that or they're just useless trolls doing whatever it is trolls do thinking that spouting their troll trash somehow makes what they say real. I guess that's what happens when they cannot engage with intelligent dialog to try and support what they say or otherwise think is true.***
Ah there you are! so you chose to run away from the pointed questions that I posed to you here: http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...hildren-same-sex-opposite-sex-parents-38.html And set up shop on this thread to spread your nonsense.
the quote is from the opinion. no court made any such ruling. the quote is from the opinion. no court made any such ruling.
