Muhammad Ali. Real American hero. What do you think?

You don't know anything about him do you?

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Along with most of the GOP 'leadership' and the media idiots and drug addicts you worship.
Ali did not 'run away', he unlike your controllers and 'hero's', took a very public stand.
Your heros tucked tail and ran to daddy.

 

I will have a very clear memory of Mohammad Ali, the next time I visit the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Wash. DC where I can read the names of the friends I lost.

I pray Jane Fonda is next.

 

Respect worthy human beings? Was it worthy of ali or for America in general when he decided to break the law by refusing to be drafted into the military? So respect this and or honor these type of people? WOW!!!!!! And you also respect a religion that offers Sharia Law and other Islamic radicals whose main objective in life is to slay as many Christians as possible? Just plain WOW!!!!!!!!!!

 

Both worthy and essential that Ali stood against war to enrich the few.

I certainly do respect people who take a principled, intelligent, articulate stand for peace and Ali fits the bill.

I rarely spend any time on the topic of yahoo radicals and whatever the (*)(*)(*)(*) they want and today's no exception so you're alone with your Sharia terrorscape.

 

You must really detest the Dick Cheney and the rest of the republican chickenhawks.

 

You are spewing BS.. Muhammed Ali was very clear as to why he wouldn't fight the Viet cong.. He said they never called him "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)".

 

He gave up 4 years in the very prime of his career because of his sincerely held beliefs. No different than an Amish or Mennonite. He didn't run away or flee to another country and continue boxing. He was willing to pay the price for his principles. I thought that was a conservative value. Maybe not. Apparently an uppity black guy who changes his name and pays the price is not as worthy as a 5 time deferment ("I had other priorities") Dick Cheney or a Donald Trump, who fought his "own personal Vietnam avoiding venereal disease in the '60's and '70's". Ali was a great hero and inspiration to many many people around the world.

 

When Muhammad Ali brought 15 hostages back from Iraq

Ali traveled to Iraq after Saddam Hussein ordered the invasion of Kuwait. Hussein took 15 American hostages from a local General Motors branch and placed them in strategic bombing locations, using them as human shields. Ali's visit to Iraq was documented by ESPN in a documentary called "Ali: The Mission," narrated by Springfield native John Legend.

Despite being in the midst of his battle with Parkinson's Disease, Ali traveled to Baghdad. For a week, he waited for a meeting with Hussein while running out of medication.

After four months of captivity, Ali returned to the U.S. in December 1990 with the 15 hostages. The Gulf War started six weeks later.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...d-ali-brought-15-hostages-back-iraq-to/nrZqw/

 

The US was fascist in the 1960's that is true but we gave up imperialism at the end of the 19th century after we took PeurtoRico and the Philippines away from Spain who took those "possessions " away from their rightful owners centuries before. As far as calling Cassius Clay an American hero well anyone who behaved the way he did at the Olympics does not deserve he honor of being considered an American much less being called an American hero!,

 

How old was Ali at the Olympics?

You do know he brought 15 American hostages out of Iran.

 

Are you saying he had a moral obligation to join the army and risk his life because the USA has done something for him? Please explain.

 

Har! Good God, you don't even know which Bad Black Guy you are ranting about! Ali won a Gold Medal as a light heavyweight (beating a Russian in the quarters and a Pole in the final) for the United Sates in the 1960 Rome Olympics and was considered one of the most popular and dominant athletes there.. Unbelievable. You are so filled with hate that you can't even - or don't care to - keep your Bad Black People straight!

 

Not shooting Vietnamese people doesn't make one a coward.

 

Do you have the same feelings about dick cheney, bush the failure, limpblow, and the rest of your 'patriot leaders'?

 

How many Americans died in Vietnam? Wasn't it 50,000? And Vietnam is a one party Communist State.

 

His contributions were all before my time so I am not sure I am the best person to assess his life in totality. He may have been a hero to some at some point in his life. To others, he may have been a villain. That is more reflective of who the person handing out accolades or epitaphs is than Ali himself.

 

Both ali and bill clinton were traitors to America. They both refused to be drafted, and thus they became the lowest of scum. Trump and Limbaugh both had legitimate deferments and George Bush did serve in our military. Ali or Allah (whatever anti American/radicalized name) he had used along with his traitorous behavior gave us great insight on where his radical religious or anti religious beliefs had been. To honor this anti American/anti Christian guy is like someone honoring the anti Christian obama for being the worst president our nation has ever seen.

 

I'd dispute that, but let's take it for granted that he didn't benefit. So what? Is the idea now that the social contract is only a thing when there is a perceived net benefit?

This isn't something I've gotten really into so correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it he refused to comply with the draft, and he's a hero. Meanwhile the young boys who did comply are just kind of shrugged off? I don't buy that. Refusing to serve is in no way more heroic than dutifully serving.

 

Didn't he have retard-level IQ? He was a good boxer.. but that's it. What he had to say about politics was good for entertainment, not much more.

 

Interesting that you deflect the subject at hand. Typical response when you have no logical argument to present. But I guess it's better than " nyah, nyah... yo momma" so I give you credit for that at least.

 

Your right Guy. The man was a very good boxer, he had a religion, and like 60,000 other young Americans in the 60's he chose not to be in the war.

Why then, after his death, does he have to be on every news channel (all day/all night)? Why does the media have to give him so much attention?

There are firemen/women and police who risk their lives every day (for miserable pay) to save the lives of others every day. Do they receive the same attention that some retired boxer gets? The only time the media gives them any attention is when something cynical is involved.

Now for the next week we're going to get nothing but coverage of Ali's death, his life story, his family, his fans, et al. It just puzzles me. The man was in a professional sport, a brutal sport that many don't even like, and now he's labelled a hero, an icon.

Go figure.

 

His name was Muhammad Ali. It's nothing short of disrespect for the man's identity itself to call him Cassius Clay.

Furthermore, the USA is still an imperialist power. They're just imperialist through more subtle economic means. Consider the CIA's constant overthrow of any governments that didn't kowtow to US demands throughout the cold war and our backing of various tinpot dictators.

 

Ali was also quite the philanthropist .. and he did bring 15 American hostages out of Iraq.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/the-tale-of-muhammad-alis-goodwill-trip-to-iraq-that-freed-us-hostages/

 

Ali took a principled stand, and payed for it. He was a charismatic figure, as well as one of the greatest boxers of all time.
I'm sure he inspired all types of folks, but hero is such a watered down meaningless term.

 

He was a great boxer and a good individual, but he was not a great American. When he chose to be a C.O. and a muslim, he should have also resigned his citizenship. I don't believe his C.O. was tied to anything but the cult Islam.