Physical beauty- Objective or subjective? Cultural or universal?

Cheers, my Özbek sister.

What's that smell.. Is it.. Is it? Yep. VICTORY!

You just can't handle truth. Sayonara!

 

Exactly. I didn't find him attractive either. But he WAS beautiful (or cute, or handsome, or whatever obfuscation you prefer to use).

As regards Benicio, he was a strong flavour, probably too strong for your conventional suburban type. I'm not the conventional suburban type

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There's that maturity I spoke of.



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Ozbek ... snorffles

 

Okay granny.

 

Is done with the thread, comes back 10 mins later.

 

like Ritter, I can't help wondering if you feel threatened by objective beauty. are you single, may I ask?

 

Why would I feel threatened? Are you insinuating that I'm ugly?

 

I quoted you. I'm being mature.

 

Disagreeing is not feeling threatened. I've known quite a few people, and they don't all agree on what is beautiful. What's the problem?

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Well, I meant that I'm done with him in this thread. He is now being ignored, so will remain invisible to me.

 

Not at all. I'm sure you're gorgeous.

It's just that some single middle-aged ladeez can get a little .... I don't know, bitter and weird?

 

Why would you think I'm bitter? Explain please.

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Maam. . . you are the one who states that anyone over 30 can no longer be found "sexually appealing." Basically you seem rather bitter because perhaps people no longer find YOU sexually appealing. Well, let me reassure you, that is not the case for a lot of other people.

 

The problem is you're confusing objective beauty (which exists, easily demonstrated by comparing Jessica Alba to Oprah Winfrey) with ATTRACTION, and they're two different things.

 

Not everyone in the world would think Jessica Alba is beautiful. This thread is not about comparisons. The thread is basically stating that everyone finds the same things attractive or beautiful, which is far from the truth.

 

I said bitter and weird, it could be either. Every single middle aged woman I know who isn't a widow (sadly I know a few of these) is a bit 'off' in terms of personal confidence.

I said women past their late 30's are no longer breeding stock. Which they aren't, even if biologically they can perhaps still fall pregnant for another year or two. Males are programmed to view women past that general age more as companions than breeding mates. And discerning men will see 40-ish women (and older) who try via clothing, hair etc to compete with younger women, as tragic old cougars.

Dearest Chris, it's fun to see you stick pins in me, but you'll be disappointed to know that I'm so disinterested in being found 'sexually attractive' by random males, that I go out of my way to dissuade it. I have allowed my grey hair to bloom, I wear nil makeup, never show any skin, and I get around in charity store vintage dresses worn with jeans and work boots. Even then, I get more attention than I want. Happily married these past 25 years, and with three kids (all who are very chatty company) living at home, random male attention is about as important to me as stock market trends in Botswana.

 

Very few (if any) people could look at J Alba and claim that she's not pretty/cute/beautiful, even IF many don't find her attractive personally. All we need to know is that there are objectively beautiful people, and the features that comprise this beauty are universally acknowledged. From this we know that it's a biological imperative unique to higher mammals.

If you sit in a room full of straight males of breeding age, and watch their reactions to a parade of women ranging from ugly to J Albas, you'll immediately prove your own theory wrong. Try the same experiment (with the same women) in every racial group on earth and you'll get more or less the same result. Anthropologists do know what they're doing.

 

So? What does your personal preferences with style have to do with anything? My grandmother had my mother when she was like 45, so you are wrong. People can dress however makes them feel good. It's not your business.

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That does not prove that beauty is "objective." Objective means that everyone agrees and there is no variation.

 

So, you are over 30 and you are married? Does this mean your husband is no longer sexually attracted to you?

 

I had my last child in my late 30's. This isn't about how late some women have children, it's about biological programming. Breeding males are sexually attracted to breeding age women. That is loosely up to around the age of 40. It's (*)(*)(*)(*)ty for single women, sure, but it's reality.

Of course people can dress how they want, what on earth does that have to do with what was under discussion? are you just lashing out blindly?

On objective beauty, the vast majority agree - even when there is a wide variation to who we're attracted to personally. you seem unable to grasp the difference. Everyone agrees chili is hot, but not all find it hard to eat, and a rare few even say that it's not hot. It's.very.simple. Objective beauty is not the same thing as idiosyncratic personal response.

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my Darling, I'm over 50 - and proud of it, hence the grey hair. you're batting well out of your league, here.

 

Lol. Look maam, you are the one who brought up how people dress.

There is no such thing as "objective" beauty. Everyone has preferences and opinions.

 

Yes, in answer to your fun suggestion that random male attention might be important to me. It was used to demonstrate how little I care. As in, I go out of my way to dissuade attention via my clothing/hair choices. I can't believe I have to explain that

Everyone has personal attractions, yes. But that obviate objective beauty. for (*)(*)(*)(*)s sake.

 

You said that women are no longer sexually attracted to women over 30 or 40, and you are over that age, so that makes my conclusions accurate. No where did I say what was important to you, because I have no idea and don't really care. I am simply responding to your posts and your false conclusions. All I said was it's not your business what other people choose to wear or how they choose to present themselves.

Nope, wrong again. People have their own preferences and opinions when it comes to beauty. That's just a fact.

 

BTW, Jessica Alba is 35. Not so sexually attractive to any men anymore I guess.

 

Catherine Zeta Jones is 47. Gross. How could any man want her??? She can't have babies!

 

you went out of your way to suggest I was suffering from a lack of male attention. evidently you cared enough to make that jab. go back and read it yourself.

and once again, I said males are programmed (biologically, whether older single women like it or not) to view women past their late 30s/40 ish as no longer being viable breeding stock. this becomes a problem when women of that age attempt to compete as though they ARE still breeding stock. ie, tragic old cougars. if older women aren't trying to compete with breeding stock, and are comfortable in their own skin (and age), discerning men will find them more attractive than the cougars.

 

Errr. No, you are the one who is making that suggestion. Lol.

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Plenty of women actually CAN compete. Lots of men want to have sex with older women. Speak for yourself.

 

Breeding age males won't find her attractive, no. Why on earth would they?

65 year old men probably think she's a hornbag, though.