Guns for self-protection cause more harm than good

Demonstrably so. There are more guns, and there is less violent crime.

 

There is none. This violates the constitution in exactly the same way as limiting someone to one trip a week to church.

And, of course, limiting the number of guns you can own limits your ability to help equip the well-regulated militia, as not everyone eligible for service in the militia has a suitable weapon.

 

Once absolutely saved my life - in the absolute 100% literal way - but too complicated to explain.
Another time I found myself at night, alone, with 5 guys who looked like Latino gang members circled around me - my back to my car - with one saying "hey man, you got any money?" Technically not illegal to say, but they did not seem inclined to take a no.
It was cold, I was wearing a 3 piece suit and gloves. In the palm of my hand was a tiny 5 shot .22 mag - smaller than my hand. This was my exact response: "What I have is this little 22 magnum (displaying it). Isn't it small? But then I figure it is the size of the bullet not the gun that matters. Hey, what a coincidence, there's 5 of you."
And that man answered "everything's cool" and they all backed away and walked off.
Two other likely times. Both times I fired - but not to hit the person (12 gauge double barrel both times.) Both times someone had charged me with a knife. One I chased for nearly a mile firing and reloading repeatedly to convince him to never return. The other time, different attacker, he turned and ran.

 

But for illegal migrants, that the Democratic Party want to import by the tens to hundreds of millions, it would probably be higher than that.

 

I find that folks are generally very polite when staring down the barrel of a gun.

 

Translation: It is my mission to tell other people how to live their lives through the force of government.

You would have fit in in 1930's Germany.

 

And ONE has NOTHING to do with the other.

 

Then why are you against guns?

 

I've said it many times. I'm not against guns. I own guns. I like to hunt and shoot. I've also said I'm not against making it very hard to get a gun.

 

Simple: While more guns and less crime have nothing to do with each other, more guns and more crime are directly related.

 

That would be correct. I believe guns are the weapon of choice when commiting a crime.

 

And yet you post ridiculous studies that show violent people who use drugs also have problems with gun violence, then try to equate that to "guns r bad".

What gun laws will make it hard to get a gun?

Murder carries the stiffest of penalties, yet people still commit murder.

How then does passing a gun law that carries lesser penalties than murder prevent gun violence?

Clearly gun laws are not going to do anything other than infringe on our rights.

 

For every gun used to commit murder yesterday, 13.6 million were not.
Your conclusion: We need more gun control!!!


As a society, we need to stop listening to their whinny and fearmongering voices - such as yours - and begin to pay greater heed to the voice of reason

 

Tell that to the people who had their lives saved by having the great equalizer. Take the equalizer away and then the big criminals will simply over power their smaller victims. Of course people who live in bubbles, that have armed guards protecting them have no worries, but most people do not have that luxury.

To take away the ability of people to protect themselves from not only criminals but tyrants is an exercise in stupidity. The very first thing that man invented was weapons which gave them a better chance at survival. Whether it was against carnivores or the other tribe who would come in and take what the tribe had, kill their men and take their women as slaves.

So, if you are against abortion, do not have one. If you are against gay marriage, do not marry the same sex. If you hate guns, do not buy one. And if you do not want to get shot by a gang member in the cities, stay the hell out of where they live. But enough of the nonsense of trying to disarm others simply because you do not want to own a gun. And chances are, those people who do not want to own a gun, or others to own one, do not live in places where they have to fear being killed by criminals. Many of them live in bubbles behind gates, with security who are armed.

If you disarm America, will the president still have secret service with guns under their jackets? LOL Well, most of us cannot have the secret service who are armed, protecting us. It would be so nice if we lived in a world without criminals. But that is not our reality, and to disarm people because you do not like guns is utter stupidity. These people just are not that smart. And if not for laws that protect them from their own stupidity, it would be and end to their particular gene pool. Gotta protect liberals from themselves, that is for sure. But please do not allow these nuts to dictate law and policy. They live in a reality of their own creation, not the one the rest of the world lives in.

 

Just had to mention their ethnicity, no doubt (either consciously or perhaps unconsciously) thinking that informing us that they appeared to be hispanic better illustrates what a dangerous and scary situation it was. Well, this bit of a racist mentality certainly does nothing to enhance the validity of your viewpoint; in fact, it seriously detracts from it.

 

Do you have any reason to believe he lied?
No?
Then why does the truth bother you?

 

" ridiculous studies that show violent people who use drugs also have problems with gun violence" - no idea what you are talking about here. What studies did I post?
"Murder carries the stiffest of penalties, yet people still commit murder." So is your point that we should make murder legal? Where are you going with this murder analogy?
How does making it hard to get a gun infringe on your rights?

 

Don't get trolled. Each study posted on this thread is 100% inaccurate. Why? They didn't list the millions of incidents where a person having a gun, who DIDN'T NEED TO FIRE A SHOT, in these studies. Gun's are a natural deterrent. The studies are only showing the incidents when a trigger was pulled. SO many more incidents involve the person defending themselves by merely flashing the gun and the invader running for the hills.

 

Relevance, my friend. Their race is in fact no more causally relevant to their criminality than their shoe size.

 

You take exception to the truth because you do not believe the truth to be relevant?
Speaks volumes.

 

For your benefit I'll repost my reply to the OP,

And of course common sense has also, long ago, enabled some of us to realize this. However, there are a great many folks in our society who are so thoroughly steeped in the creed, culture, and cult of gunism that they are simply no longer psychologically capable, so to speak, of cognizing, accepting, and acknowledging the simple and harsh reality that rather than being innocent inanimate objects or making us safer guns do in fact kill people and terrorize our society; in the sense that they're a tangible and significant part of the equation of our society's high homicide and violent crime rates, providing, as they do, the material means to commit murder and armed robbery, and often being a factor in the decision process leading to the taking of human life and other violent crimes (yes, having the means to easily perpetrate a crime of violence or an act of armed robbery can indeed help to tip one in the direction of doing the deed; along with the potential payoff of a crime, possessing an instrument that makes carrying it out considerably less difficult produces temptation, which feeds into motivation, making the weapon indeed culpable in the crime, not an innocent inanimate object at all). Yes, Second Amendment fundamentalists, so to speak (and it's not at all surprising that there's a large overlap with religious fundamentalists, as they share the same threat-oriented cognitive style), thanks to the entrenchment of their minds in gunism are simply non compos mentis when it comes to the societal issues presented by private gun ownership. As a society we need to stop listening to their whinny and fearmongering voices, and begin to pay greater heed to the voice of reason and conscience which would guide us toward a safer and saner society.

 

And, for your benefit, I'll repost my reply to your reply:

For every gun used to commit murder yesterday, 13.6 million were not.
Your conclusion: We need more gun control!!!


As a society, we need to stop listening to whinny and fearmongering voices - such as yours - and begin to pay greater heed to the voice of reason

 

Swimming pools kill more kids than guns, why aren't you on the war path to ban those first?

 

Swimming pools are not an impediment to the state securing a monopoly on force.

 

That they appears to be Latino gang members certainly was relevant to my course of action as it was indicative of their likely motivates and probabilities of where this was headed. Just a few months prior someone I know who had been in the Marines, was pulled out of his vehicle thru the open window at a stoplight (no seatbelt on) and a group of young Latinos beat and kicked him to a pulp while robbing him. In the instance I spoke of, I did not want to mess up my suit or be delayed physically disabling them plus one of them may have had a gun or knife not yet shown. It seemed better to just run them off.

What is notable in 2nd and 3rd recounts is that no one was injured. If I had been unarmed people would have been seriously injured. With 5 it would a necessity for the injuries to be very serious. For many years I never carried any weapon for legal liabilities and in that time frame I physically damaged many men. I decided, after my life situation had changed, that displaying a firearm was a superior alternative to violence.

Firearms prevent enormous amounts of violence.

I also mentioned their gender, so why didn't you rant that I'm misogynist declare your guilt over your gender too? Huh?

I'm not white. Not 1% white. So I don't share your bizarre white-guilt tripping. I don't understand why people who feel so guilty about their existence don't remedy that problem with themselves.