Would you have used the atom bomb on Japan in WWII if you were Prez?

No war with Russia if we had followed Churchill's plan. No Cold War. No Warsaw Pact. No Berlin blockade. No divided Germany. No imprisoned Eastern and Central Europe. But, then, we do know now how much the Democratic Party and millions of its minions love the Cold War and want it to continue forever, though are upset the USSR is gone.

 

Pine root fuel to fuel squadrons. It gets better and better. Lol

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Pine root fuel to fuel squadrons. It gets better and better. Lol

 

The West empowered Soviets through lend-lease.

Had it not been for lend-lease, it's very likely there wouldn't have been a Soviet takeover in the first place.

 

Yeah......all Russia needed was a stern talking to. My god....this is hilarious

 

That's what General LeMay who cited as one of your "military experts" wanted to do. Initiate an nuclear war first with China and then with Russia. You've made it clear you agree with his perspectives so yes, apparently you do think we should have attacked Russia and China - including with atomic bombs. You also cited McArthur who wanted to drop an atom bomb on Tokyo, so REALLY your complaint is that we dropped the atom bombs on cities that were too small.

 

We should have used the Death Star....I said it all along. Lol

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I said I agreed with them on everything. We also liked our eggs done the same way. Lol

 

A nonsensical statement. To then have seized Central and Eastern Europe and Eastern Germany Russia would have had to attack the USA and UK forces since we would have defeated Germany there first - and since we had the atom bomb it is unlikely Russia would have gone to war against the rest of allies.

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No, you did not say they were egg experts, but rather military experts you do not question on the usage of atom bombs.

 

And we were plenty willing to force another war ....this time with Russia. The U.K. Would have loved that....they had nothing else to do like rebuild London. Lol

 

I made a new thread to discuss the Soviet take over of Central Europe, and how the USA, and Britain appeased the Soviets.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=497488&p=1067143214#post1067143214

It would make more sense to discuss this on topic there, than off topic here.

 

A history documentary I recently watched suggested that it was the USSR's declaration of war that convinced Japan it was time to surrender, and the roadblock before that was preserving the emperor (who actually was spared). The atomic bombs weren't much more devastating than previous strategic bombings except in the sense that it only involved 1 plane at a time. The only possible role is that it helped them save face by being able to claim they surrendered due to losing the technological war.

The main effect of dropping the bombs was making the cold war more precarious by promoting the nuclear arms race.

 

The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a message to Russia. Japan was finished.

 

So you are claiming the Emperor of Japan was lying when he said the reason he was surrendering in his broadcast was because THE "cruel" atom bombs threatened the extinction of the Japanese and REALLY his reason had nothing to do with that or with Japan at all - and only about Russia fight Japanese troops in China? HOW ABSURD!

The educational system truly is a failure. No only to people not learn history, they won't read about it either. Your proof is you saw a film someone made.

The Emperor in his surprise radio broadcast gave one reason for surrendering - the atom bomb threatened the extinction of the Japanese.

Hey, here's a shocker for you. Both Russia and the UK had atomic bomb programs in 1943, 2 years before the atom bombs were dropped.

Among other things, dropping the atom bombs and the inevitable nuclear arms race anyway has been that there has not been another world war since and deaths worldwide by wars has dropped ever since. Does that make you sad?

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What message? We had already given them all of Eastern and Central Europe.

Japan was not finished. Is it also your view that when the Allies reached the German border they should have turned around and gone home because "Germany was finished?" That is your view of the war with Japan.

 

Yes. Using the atomic weapons saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of US soldiers, tens of millions of Japanese citizens, and the also saved the nation of Japan (the Soviets were marching across Manchuria to invade northern Japan - there would have been a North Japan and South Japan just as there was a West and East Germany).

 

The Japanese started the Pacific war. They deserved the consequences.

 

Jake, when you bombed Hiroshima, the B-29 was the sole aircraft in the Japanese sky. What you wrote just isn't true.

That's two "woulds" that you take as hard cash. You shouldn't; your scenario is wildly hysterical. Another thing - I am the one in this discussion here who values human life - you side just want it bombed if it doesn't vote for you.

I'd be curious about how well you would take it if it were your family that was atomized.

 

Sounds like a fact; Facts are proveable. Prove it.

Both the US and Soviet army would have perished by the millions when facing kitchen knife-wielding housewives and kids, huh?

When you realize that you cannot prove such a clunker, you'll have to admit that it is but a wild assertion (US and Russian troops in a collective killfest race in Japan? Really?) among a thousand ones, most of them more serious. Show me the high command's instructions, show me the weapons, show me that Japan was a well-oiled, united war machine that could have opposed a bona fide army with any hope for success.

We have a saying here: when a man wants to kill his dog, he accuses it as having rabies.

 

Okinawa and Eastern Europe. There is all the proof that you need.

 

You claim that houswives would have driven back the US marines? I'm not buying it for a second.

I think that the belief that some people exist solely to die to annoy you is one of the most vicious form of racism or lack of empathy that can be found. To deny their humanity, to deny that like most humans they aspired to a peaceful, properous life is all you do. You seem to think that these people's lives begun and ended with you in mind? That it is all about you?

If even you took into consideration the social climate that was present at Japan at the time. What do you exactly know about Japanese society and politics of the time?

Those bombings were probably the worst terror act to happen in the XXth century, which yet isn't lacking in this domain. And because you condone it, you committed it. On a civilian population. Of an already defeated country.

 

It was clear that Japan was defeated long before VJ Day but yet - Okinawa.

 

The Japanese have as tendency to not give up...it hurts their pride. They would rather die than give up. As I see it the atom bomb just helped them see the light. if we did not use the atom bomb the war would have kept going for who knows how long. As there were no laws barring its use, like poison gas, not problem at all with using atomic might.

 

This "Invasion of Japan" thing is totally bogus to begin with. At worse, a couple months of naval blocus and aerial interdiction would have most likely given even better results.

It would be more relevant to look at what was brewing in the offices. May I remind you that the Emperor was against the war? It might suprise you but he wasn't exactly alone, you know.

You just did it to scare off the Reds and prevent Japan from falling in their fold. Give us a break with that life-preservation apparatus you drape yourselves with - it's just ridiculous.

Besides, everbody can see you're naked.

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One might hope that you too, one karmic day, will see the light.

 

The whole story about a "third atomic bomb" may just be urban-legend, for it has never been proven. The way I first heard the story was that the "third atomic bomb" was actually going to be dropped right into the crater of Mt. Fujiyama, which was (still is?) a national icon for Japan. Bombing Tokyo late in 1945 would have done no good at all militarily because we had already fire-bombed the living hell out of their capital city repeatedly and there was nothing left but bombed out buildings.

But, as the story goes, they shelved the idea of bombing Mt. Fuji because:
1. It would have done no good militarily, either.
2. The bomb might not even go off, in which case it would have failed to impress either the Japanese OR the Russians....
3. The bomb might have set off volcanic eruptions of terrible proportions, greatly complicating the post-war occupation that Truman's people had been planning with Allied forces for months after Japan finally surrendered.
4. The bomber might have missed the Mt. Fuji crater altogether and that would have just made us look really stupid....

Anyway, two bombs were enough, and had I been in Truman's shoes, I would most likely have done exactly what he did in 1945 with regard to Japan. I might have handled the presence of the Soviet Union in Europe after WWII in a VERY different manner from the one that Truman chose, but that is a topic for another thread.

 

Given the fact the USAAF had already burned dozens of other cities to the ground and already killed hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of civilians in conventional incendiary raids, there's no reason to lose a moment of sleep over using the nukes. Flame on.

When you poke the bear and he mauls you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

We should have nuked Japan right after Pearl Harbor.

"Oh yea, you want to sneak up on our base and kill everyone there? Well watch this!"

 

Amen brother ...