Part 36 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Here is were some of the non believers get it wrong.

They presume that all Christians accept as true that the Bible is the reference source for the true age of the Universe. And that dating was done in the Jews part of the Bible, not the new testament part.

The true Christian is far more motivated by the new testament than what is in the old testament.

We know particular facts
1. There is a vast universe
2. The scale of it is not yet fixed, either in size or in age. To know the age, one must know the size. Hubbell has photos taken of formerly invisible galaxies. They are simply too distant to be seen unless unique techniques allow them to be photographed. An improved version of Hubbell, no doubt in the future, shall show even deeper space. While the Earth appears to be 4.3 billion years old, the dating method of the old testament may need a lot of interpreting.

Anyway, I don't hang my belief in the ultimate GOD who in my view is part of the family of GODS, though as similar as humans, is unlikely to have the same precise appearance, but the family of GODS. This does not mean GOD of the ocean or mountains. It means the GODs populating the universe. There is also the probability they are planet dwellers on planets we do not yet understand. In other words, they may both create planets and dwell on them. As we build homes and live in them.

 

Nobody said that. They were no more bloodthirsty than many peoples today. Problems arose when the 'White man' started to take away the land that had occupied for millenia. They fought for it, just as we have fought to keep our land from many different potential invaders.
'Cowboys and Indians' is based on the invasion of Indian land by the Europeans.

http://www.indians.org/articles/american-indians.html

You really have a jaundiced view of anything that doesn't match what you want to believe.

 

If witch-killers and Adolf were true christians I'm Mary Poppins! Staged propaganda pics like this don't fool me..


Same with the IRA catholics, if they're true christians I'm Nanny McPhee..
PS- One of their bombs went off in my old home city of Leicester (England) in 1990, it rattled our windows 3 miles away and woke up our cat but amazingly nobody was hurt. What the hell had our cat done to upset the IRA? I can assure them it had no territorial claims on Ireland whatsoever..

 

1- Problem is mate, the phoney christians think only they have got it right and that the rest of us poor slobs have got it wrong..
For example a 'Reverend' Eric Potts once said to me in a forum- "You disgust me".
It later turned out that Potts is not a real clergyman at all, he's just a jumped-up 'Assistant Methodist Minister', my guess is he's the caretaker of their local meeting hall and they bestowed that lofty title on him to keep him sweet so he'll carry on slopping out their latrines..

2- What was it about Jesus you didn't like? You're not jewish or muslim are you?

 

Why not believe it? Many Christians would just say this is the way God really did it. The story in Genesis is not to be taken literally.

Science says, give us one miracle(big bang) and we can explain the rest.

When science explains something like evolution, many Christians just say that was the way God did it. The only Christians that have trouble with science are the sects who believe in a literal interpretation as if the things of God can ever be explained literally. That words can capture reality. Things of the spirit are best communicated in a non literal fashion. Without understanding this, any meaning coming from the bible will be wrong. It will send people off killing for God. Which it of course, did, for a couple thousand years.

 

Scientists do not make that claim.

 

I don't know enough about the subject to contribute anything.

 

Source? I've looked and cannot find anything to support your comment.

(I'm assuming your "13 million" is a typo.)

Thanks,

ecco

 

I think most non-believers do not "presume that all Christians accept as true that the Bible is the reference source for the true age of the Universe." Most non-believers know a lot of Christians that accept Evolution.

Then why even mention the OT? Why not just discard it altogether?

 

As I already said, your definition of a True Christian is someone who Johnny Brady accepts as a True Christian.

Well, you don't get to pick and choose. Are you denying that Martin Luther and 15th Century Popes were Christians?

 

AGAIN, you don't get to pick and choose who is and who is not a Christian. There are a lot of Fundamentalist Christians who assert that anyone who believes in Evolution is not a Christian. That's your problem, not mine.

I don't think I've ever said "I don't like Jesus". Jesus is just a mythological figure like Athena, Thor and all other gods and supernatural entities.

 

I don't think any scientist describes the BB as a miraculous occurrence.

mi·rac·u·lous
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adjective
occurring through divine or supernatural intervention, or manifesting such power.​

 

Only God knows mate..
Heck I don't even know if I qualify as a christian myself, and Paul took the same view-
"I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time" (1 Cor 4:3)
So all we can do is give it our best shot and hope we shape up..

 

1- If Jesus was a myth, who do you think the massive crowds were seeing, Buzz Lightyear?..
2- I don't give a rat's ass what fundies believe, I have great fun slapping them around on the internet forum circuit..

 

1. Mythical crowds


2. But not so much fun when faced by proven history. Come to that, many Christians aren't.

 

Robert is not taking inflation into account.

 

Haha mate,you're firing off conspiracy theories like an exploding fireworks factory; according to you Moses never existed and now you're saying Jesus's thousands of followers never existed!
You remind me of the Star Trek TNG episode 'Remember Me', where Beverly Crusher notices about 800 crew members have vanished, but nobody else has noticed..
Pick it up at 1:02-

[video=youtube;nvaJ9Fcov2w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvaJ9Fcov2w[/video]

 

Just like how you engage in a conspiracy theory that Mithras never existed and the Joseph Smith did conduct miracles.

 

Did Mithras go on the road to do gigs in front of thousands of eyewitnesses like Jesus did?
As for Joseph "Wyatt Earp" Smith, he was killed in a shootout, after killing two of his opponents, but Jesus never gunned down anybody as far as we know.

 

Mithras's followers most certainly claimed he interacted with people. Why do you engage in a conspiracy by denying their accounts?

Joseph Smith was murdered by a group of "snooty priests" like you who didn't like the revelations from God that he brought down. Does it feel good to know that when it comes to Smith you are on the same side as the guys who murdered Jesus?

 

Jesus didn't do gigs in front of thousands. The population of all of Palestine never exceeded 600,000 .. The towns and villages were tiny and miles apart.

 

1- If Mithras was such a sh*t-hot "god", why has a kid from Nazareth completely upstaged him?
2- Joe Smith had around 35 wives (including one who was only 14 yrs old), so the local fine upstanding citizens went round to bust his ass, and he shot two of them dead before they finished him off..

 

1. If Jesus is such a hot (*)(*)(*)(*) "god", then why is he in the process of being upstaged by an illiterate goat herder from the Arabian peninsula?

2. He was in jail and a mob broke into the jail to murder him. Why are you defending murder? Does the Bible tell you murder is good?

 

Are you really sure about that? The Jewish Babylonian Talmud in Gittin 57b states as fact that the Romans killed four billion (4,000,000,000) Jews in the city of Bethar. It also claims in Gittin 58a that 16 million (16,000,000) Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive. Maybe there were just 600,000 survivors? There's a million man army from Ethiopia wandering around there somewhere.

 

Just as I said. You care nothing about the truth, just what you want to believe. History tells us that the story of Abraham, Moses etc are just allegories.