No one takes from anyone, it's a little deeper than that, but if you can't see past your one dimensional thought processes you'll just have to remain ignorant.
The mere fact you need to ask that question, leaves one to come to the conclusion that the topic is to comprehensive. But one can "use" anything they want to "use", and make "use" of anything that is at their disposal for "use". "Use"can have many "use"s. But how that "use", gets put to "use" is a matter up for discussion. If you want to "use" any of this on how to "use" philosophy, you have my permission. But don't over"use" the word "use" or the philosophy of it will lose its meaning.
Comprehend, where did I say comprehend? I offered Plato, Kant and Hegel which were the philosophers that were the originators of the philosophy you spout. By the way is was Kant along with Hegel that begat Hitler which has been extended to Odumbo and Hitlerly. Personal attacks, don't need to do a personal attack when all is required is a clarification of your posts. Any perceived personal attack was by your person, not me. Philosophy, you need to first understand the concept which you don't. The best philosophy you have come up with would more properly deemed "Moral Relativism" or the lack of a philosophy but leaning heavily toward Kant. Of course they would and I already knew that before you posted it the first time. Are you having a hard time accepting what you declare? I don't.
Actually, I do live in the hills on a nice little farm that I own outright. And I do live here because of civilization but not as you are trying to imply. I live here because "civilization" as you deem it is seen by me as to many idiots in to small of a space. Your civilization is not actually civilization but rule of the mobs, better known as democracy. If there is a problem with perspective, I would suggest you look in a mirror to discover the source.
Well you got one thing right, it is much deeper than that but you are looking down the wrong hole. I would suggest you extract your head from that orifice and smell the fresh air. Will change your outlook on things.
You're arguing that we spend $3.2 trillion on health care because people are doing too many office visits and getting too much preventive care?
Yes, more or less greed did it. Back in the 70's you could get an office visit for $15. Here is Obamacare in action... I used to be able to cover doctor office visits out of pocket, but can't afford it any more. In Jan '16 I called a dermatologist to ask about a wart removal and it is $490 for 5 minutes of work. The doctor does not even do it...his assistant does it. In 2015 it was $175 for the same wart removal, but they raised the rates if your uninsured. They said under Obamacare it is illegal for me to not have med insurance and it is insurance fraud for them to charge a different rate than what they get under Obamacare when they bill insurance companies...$490. I'm afraid there is little hope for America, You will just keep paying higher and higher costs for unusable healthcare and getting sicker and sicker. The dems couldn't fix healthcare and the reps surely can't fixe healthcare. You can never have affordable healthcare in the US. The doctors and hospitals rape the system - so how can you have anything affordable if your being taken on a ride from the start? The hospitals have built up massive hospitals that require hundreds of millions of dollars to feed annually. Feeding these monsters is what takes up a large portion of healthcare costs in the US. Sure America has the best healthcare in the world, but what god does it do if only the rich can afford to use it? What America needs a 2 tier healthcare system. One healthcare system for the rich as a fee for service and one for the average person that is gov supplied - aka socialized healthcare. That is the only way you can do it. The rich can have whatever they want and the poor / average person can still get some healthcare. Socialized med wont be as good as rich med, but it can be doable. If you don't like socialized medicine, get 4 jobs and pay for the rich healthcare. Obamacare can't be replaced or repaired. Obamacare was never workable from the start. The system we have for healthcare is broken in the US, it will only keep spiraling out of control whether it is dem or rep sponsored. Once healthcare turned into big biz it was put on a trajectory for destroying the ability of the average person paying for healthcare out of pocket. The healthcare provider know they can rape the insurance companies with exaggerated costs, so the whole system is rotten and greed filled. The healthcare issue has to be looked at from a radical new way to make something usable when it comes to healthcare in the USA. Socialized education is has served us for ages, although the reps seem to want to dismantle that system. The public education cost is in the RE taxes and even if you have no kids you end up chipping in. If you don't want to use the socialized education system then you can pay for private school. This is how the healthcare should be. Charge a sales and service tax to cover basic socialized healthcare for all. The foreign tourists will even chip in to keep us healthy. What is basic socialized healthcare? You got a bursting appendix, you can get it out...you need a heart transplant...go get the rich healthcare. Socialized med is hard to promote in the US. We are a capitalist country. The greedy special interests and rich will tear it down as communism. The only way healthcare in the US can work any longer is to have a 2 tier system. The rich can pay for the best if they don't want socialized med. The average person can use the socialized plan. But you can never have success if you force the average person to pretend they are rich and force a high cost, unaffordable health plan on them. It is no different than having a high earner and a low earner in a marriage. You either live to the budget that is double of the lower earner or the high earner has to pay for the bulk of it if they want to live on a higher level. You can't force a low earner to be a high earner if it is not in them. Medicine prices started to skyrocket once the greedy learned they can hike up medicine costs by astounding percentages. They can hold the chronically ill by ransom...it is pay up or die. There is nothing wrong with that is there? This is textbook material on how a good capitalist should work. Get the highest price the market will bear for the product. If a pill cost .35 cents to make, why not mark it up to $1000 a pill? If an insurance company will pay for it why not $5,000 a pill? There is no law against making profits. It is not even a question of being able to afford Obamacare med plans. They are useless, at least for me. Thousands of $ in deductibles and copay. I think the goal of insurance companies is to sell you insurance you can not use unless you are very sick and rich. If the US ever does get a socialized healthcare system then the job is to keep it from spiraling out of control with costs. Humans have a tendency to F' up whatever they get their hands on. This is why we don't make good communists. If we were bees or ants we would make good communists. But self-centered greedy humans can't do it. Bees or ants will give their life for the good of the colony...humans generally wont (military notwithstanding), it is every man and every woman for themselves. The other problem to my plan is who will do all this work of setting up a 2nd healthcare industry in the US? The politicians can't do it. Now that Cuba is opening up some may want to look at that option for healthcare. People have been going to Mexico for healthcare for years. I heard Cuba provides good healthcare and it is affordable. Sad the US is so screwed up with healthcare, but that is our world. The powerful healthcare and pill industry will fight a socialized add on plan. It will no doubt take $ from them. They can't rape the system if there is a socialized option and competition. My plan is an oddball plan for sure. I think most of the countries that has socialized healthcare has it as their only healthcare option. But the USA being what it is, wont go socialized as there only option, so that is why I suggest a 2 tier plan. I had to laugh at a knucklehead on one of the gun forums. He said Obamcare was socialized healthcare. Well, with people like that I guess we deserve what we get. Socialized healthcare is gov run and free for all healthcare. Obamacare gave the average person nothing, maybe the very poor got something, but everyone else had to pay for near useless coverage. Someday we should consider what is best for society instead of what is best just a few rich ones. This goes under the auspices of putting America, especially Americans first. That is what a 'social democracy' does, it tries to ask what is best for society. Even so, a social democracy does not always succeed. We can see that with Obama force-feeding us homosexual marriage. Well, whatever, take care of your health!
Seems to be well beyond your grasp as you have so aptly demonstrated in this thread. One the mentally challenged would want to "use" this childish blabber.
Sheesh. Now we have a guy dropping names of philosophers to imply that he's smart enough to know best about health insurance. Sounds pretty desperate to me. Otherwise the game is one of appealing to individuals. Really? What individuals are opposed to national healthcare? I'll tell you who: The rich, kids 18 - 30 (they're kids to me), and the selfish who don't want to pay any taxes on anything.
Well Einstein, it's a good thing your opinion doesn't account for anything or this world would be in a real mess, yes worse than it already is as that is but the result of more deep thinkers like yourself. Appeal to individuals, another oxymoronic statement. Individuals are only individual because of their individuality. Only the mindless masses can be appealed to and they will believe any crap pushed their way that fits into there narrow world of indoctrination. I'm one of those "selfish" that pays very little in taxes. By the way, there is no such thing as not paying taxes on anything, at least for now.
Well, that is a misnomer. Do you have any proof or justification that those "Americans" spent any sum on "health" care or was it for "medical" care? Until you know the difference, quit crying in your beer.
Well it is a mystery. First you quote a whole bunch of statistics involving "medical" care which is what got everybody in this mess in the first place. Nowhere do you have anything on "health" care. And you refer to "money", what money?
He's flailing in desperation. The facts is that the "powers that be" are making this whole healthcare thing a thing of class warfare, like they do with everything. They're pitting the private profit interests against the public interests.
Quibble, when I state that you have no idea what you are posting. You keep insinuating something to do with medical care and calling it health care. They are not the same thing because if it was health care, then there would be a large diminishment of medical care. Of course you don't know, I totally agree with you. But still you puke up whatever the current talking point happens to be and try to instill it as gospel when you have no clue what it is even about. Health is a personal responsibility. Medical is a life style seeing just what abuses can be perverted on the body and how many pills per day it takes to keep it from quitting. Of course being we have been at war 222 years of our 240 years of existence so what wonderous medical technologies we have developed to put the wrangled messes we have made of our youth back together, for what? This is what you fail to comprehend.
I'm talking about total national health expenditures. Aggregate spending on all services and goods paid for by the national premium dollar the OP is talking about. Clear?
Glad you have learned a new word, too bad you have no understanding of it's meaning. Until you learn to "assist" yourself, your assistance to any other would be determinable to themselves. But if it makes you feel better, keep pretending.
There you go again, perhaps you should have read this part: Clear what? Are you beyond the talking point script?
