The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

Ummmmm so?

 

That's nice.

I'll go back to the children who are actually killed when they handle firearms their very stupid negligent parents leave out for them to play with.

 

We do.

By the way: the purpose of universal background checks isn't to put felons or nuts in jail, it's to stop the idiots who sell felons and nuts guns in the first place.

I favor a one year sentence for illegal sale, and I suggest the one year is required but how you divide that one year can depend on who provides testimony first.

Six months each, or if, say, the buyer gets caught committing another felony, he can give states evidence and he serves two and the seller ten.

Happy to put both in jail.

 

Gosh, I didn't say it did.

Common sense dictates it does.

Sadly, for the last thirty years Americans have been crying to Congress but the NRA has been dealing out millions to Congress so whop are they going to listen to?

That is why people who promote common sense gun legislation are moving to the states and putting these measure on the ballots were we, the people, vote on them.

Not the people who are putting cash in their pockets.

 

Well said

 

Knowingly selling a gun to a felon is already a federal felony, one rarely enforced. Brand felons on the forehead, then there is no excuse on the part of any seller to not know.

 

Even if the above is one hundred percent accurate, and not in any way a misrepresentation of facts, what exactly is being presented as an alternative? If the Eddie Eagle program is noting more than ineffectual propaganda meant to promote public relations, what programs are considered viable, more effective alternatives to better educate minors about how to remain safe if they encounter an unattended firearm in the open? What is the effective safety message that is being presented, that has measurable effects?

What if the firearm is not that of the parent or guardian? According to those who support greater restrictions on firearms, the united states is awash in so many firearms, they are quite literally laying in the street, just waiting to be picked up by anyone. They constantly refer to having to get firearms off the streets.

You operate under the assumption that unsecured firearms are limited solely to the home. Such has been proven incorrect. Unsecured firearms have been left in publicly accessible restroom facilities by police officers, or at the scene of a crime because it was forgotten, or in parks by criminals because it is a shared or otherwise procured firearm, and the park is the drop sight for the exchange.

[QUOTE[Similarly, those of children who end up displaying firearms in public, especially in schools, with a felon which will relieve them of any notion of owning firearms again.;[/QUOTE]

The above makes no sense. It is a jumbled mess of incoherencey. Pray tell what are you trying to say?

 

To do what? Point out how criminally careless they were? They already know this. I put it to you that the fear of going to jail cannot be as big of a deterrent ass the fear of loss of a child, yet people are still careless enough to leave guns where children can access them. What do you plan to do about that?

 

It has been explained, time and time again, that universal background checks are unenforceable unless every single firearm in existence is registered into a centralized database. The vast majority of firearms in the united states are unregistered, meaning there is no way of tracking them to any particular individual.

As it is, knowingly selling a firearm to a prohibited individual carries a prison sentence of five years. Being a felon in possession of a firearm also carries a sentence of five years.

 

We do not. See "Brady Act Enforcement 2010". 72k identified prohibited persons committing a felony by lying on the Form 4473. 13 of those 72k were convicted. 13!

How? By creating an unenforceable law that carries less of a penalty than selling to a felon or selling/receiving stolen goods? If the laws are aimed at sales to felons, why did the Colorado UBC require background checks for sales to family members but not for loans or gifts to the same? Why did that same law require background checks for all members of a trust if a firearm was added to the trust? Are criminals commonly creating legal entities that link their name to a possible crime firearm?

And if they both take the 5th? What actual evidence is there that this crime was committed?

 

Meanwhile liberals keep their kids stupid about gun safety to insure they are harmed.

 

Illegal sales are already against the law.

 

Then it's two difference sets of data - trying to compare statistics between "self defense" and "justifiable homicides" isn't a valid comparison.

 

Gun control advocates wail about Eddie Eagle and slander its motivations, but they come up with NOTHING in the way of firearms safety programs except for "kids and guns don't mix!" and having the vapors when even uniformed police carry guns into schools.

Well, my grandfather was a cop, who carried a gun with him wherever he went, even long after he retired. He had guns in the house, strategically placed for defense purposes. Knowing that, when I became old enough to actually move around the house and explore, he started "gun-proofing" me. He taught me firearms safety, and to respect guns and to recognize that guns were not toys. I learned how to not mess with firearms just like I learned not to stick a screwdriver into a light socket or to touch a hot iron. Proper firearms safety, instilled in me early, laid the groundwork to a lifetime of responsible firearms ownership, and stood me in good stead when I went into law enforcement myself.

Gun haters only hate firearms safety training for kids because they know that training makes those kids future NRA members and opponents of future gun control legislation.

 

It means your claim...

The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing
for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to
38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012).

...is meaningless as you state an invalid metric.

 

You must be rather upset to hear accidental shootings, including the accidental shooting of children, is at all-time low.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...deaths-drop-to-record-levels-report-says.html

 

That being the case, they will fail, as a law cannot stop anyone from doing anything.

 

UBC's are unenforceable. It 's one reason it failed when introduced in congress. There is nothing to stop someone from selling a firearm to someone else, unless they sell to a cop.

 

The are enforceable.

You can roll around and stomp your feet but they work in those states where the citizens voted on the issue instead of Congress.

 

Universal background checks fail in Congress because the NRA gives members of Congress millions of dollars.

 

You can say the same thing about ANY LAW on the books.

Want to try me?

Pick one.

I am happy to run the same kind of program most states run or have run on selling liqueur or cigarettes to minors- a Sting operation.

I would go further by hiring felons to do the buying, as mentioned before, a year sentence for making an illegal sale would do wonders in removing from society those immoral people who are happy to sell firearms to people they don't know without at least a background check.

 

Bloomberg gives more.

 

The DOJ says they are not, as do the 55 Colorado sheriffs who are suing over HB 13-1229. I'll take their position instead of yours.

 

You might want to check your numbers. The NRA is small potatoes among lobby groups in Washington. Google top lobby spenders. You can't even find the NRA in the top 50. The argument on the floor if you watched CSPAN, was that there could be no enforcement without gun registration.

 

Why is it that anti gunners are all liars?