U.S. says Syrians built crematorium at prison to dispose of bodiesThe US

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  1. Ddyad

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    The dominant military always has the option to reject endless warfare by achieving a total victory and forcing the enemy into unconditional surrender. The West and Israel have chosen not to do that. How odd.
     
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    On Iran's "fake elections": This clip, showing the huge reception given Rouhani in a rally in Tabriz, the capital of Iranian Azerbaijan, with the crowd signing in unison to the song: "Again Iran" (dobareh IRAN), is a good answer (once again) to those like "jimmy rivers" who would love to see the kind of ethnic divisions unleashed elsewhere in the region against Iran, among a people, I should add, who have been together under the flag of Iran for several millennia of history.

    And lest anyone think that the other main candidate, Raisi, doesn't have his own supporters in Tabriz, this is a clip of Raisi supporters gathering in Tabriz a few days before. While Raisi's reception was impressive as well, Tabriz is quite likely to vote for Rouhani.
     
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    Created by Obama. Well done.
     
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    Don't forget the most important part. Indebt itself to the IMF and international banks. Oh and submit to the petrodollar also. We both know that's THE most important thing right? After all it's the least common denominator in ALL of the regime's we've overthrown. They all had this one thing in common. Dr. Assad included.
     
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    Because neither is imperialistic or wishes to conquer anyone. Both are democracies built on the rule of law, and are polar opposites of such horrific regimes as iran's.
     
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    "created by obama"? All I can do is shake my head at such excessively clueless posts.
     
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    assad the dog had it coming the day he started using the VERY SAME JIHADISTS attacking his rule now to attack and kill US troops in iraq, or did you forget about that?

    He also had it coming the day he chose to operate as iran's poodle, helping terrorists like hezbollah and ebracing hamas' HQ in Damascus.
     
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    Yes, both choose endless war over victory. How has that worked out?
     
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    Amazing videos, almost as good as this one, probably filmed by the same crew:



    What's even funnier is how HRW and Amnesty International regularly attack iran for its mistreatment of minorites, but this shill/regime water carrier claims that the minorities are treated well.
     
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    Israel has chosen war? I think you are thinking of the horrific arab muslims. Do remember who is 5 MM people and who is 400 MM.
     
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    You have already admitted that Israel and the West could have achieved a total military victory over all of the enemy nations that have attacked them and forced them into unconditional surrender. You say this was rejected on moral ethical grounds. Now you say victory was impossible. Which is true?
     
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    Yeah yeah blah blah bla

    We only need to look in the mirror. We are responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths. Somehow that's always excusable because we remove someone being ACCUSED of atrocities. Like Ghaddafi. I never saw mass graves. They didn't exist, and NO ONE SEEMED TO CARE AFTER HE WAS DEAD. Give me a break Mr. Shill.
     
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    KaBANGO !
    Yah hit the smarmy puppy on the Headzone :mrgreen:


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    Don't be absurd. The Syrian crisis began in 2005 with drought, the abandonment of agriculture and the decline in oil production. You have to get over the notion that Obama had some magical powers.
     
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    Don't lie. Obama created the mess in Syria. His foreign policy was a disaster.
     
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    The government also told Bush it was OK to kiss Abdullah and that the Saudis hate the color green.
     
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    Yea, he did. He created the mess in Iraq and in Libya as well. He was a foreign policy disaster and his inaction in critical situations is just as damaging.

    It was his fault. He could have prevented it.
     
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    You are partly right. The truth is that the mess in Syria was created by the United States in combination with several other states. Obama was a reluctant warrior who inherited Bush's policy of encouraging regime change in Syria and was surrounded by folks beholden to the same interest groups that held sway during the Bush administration as well. In this equation, in terms of the foreign policy the US was following at the time, Hillary was more influential in charting America's actions with respect to Syria than Obama. But as president, the buck does stop with him and if he had the courage of his convictions, he could have steered the US away from this course.
     
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    No he didn't.. He wasn't in office when Syria began falling apart. The US government doesn't control Assad or Syria.. That's magical thinking.
     
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    Syria has a long history of military coups dating back to 1945 and Assad's father was big on brutally crushing dissidents. Obama had NOTHING to to with the collapse of the oil or agricultural sector.

    Why didn't Iran step in 2005?
     
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    Honestly, talking to you about Syria is no use as we have gone back and forth and would be covering the same territory again. The same way I don't find talking to you about Wahhabi Arabia all that fruitful and, I suppose, for the same reasons too.
     
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    Sectarian strife, drought, the collapse of agriculture and the oil sector, unemployment, dramatic inflation and a brutal autocrat caused the Syrian crisis.
     
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    Yes he did. saying otherwise is just telling lies. He is responsible for the disaster in the Middle East. Including Iraq and in Libya.
     
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    Had nothing to do with Iraq or Libya. He didn't put Maliki in office. Maliki was Shia and spent much of his life in Tehran.

    You need to learn something about these countries and their histories before you start pontificating.
     
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    Bush was mainly to blame for Iraq. Not just the invasion, but also the Redirection, which was kind of like making a U-turn into a traffic you have already started going in one direction and then heading straight in the opposite one. A collision is almost inevitable. Maliki was someone the Bush administration imposed on Iraq to replace Jaffari, because the latter was viewed as too close to Iran. Maliki's first acts as prime minister was to actually wage war on some of the Shia militia which were viewed as friendly to Iran. But overtime, with the US funding, training and arming the "Sons of Iraq" - a 100,000 sunni milita -- and beginning to empower Sunnis who were calling for Maliki's head, he felt he had no choice but to shift to Iran for support.
     
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