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Why do you think Democracy fails in those countries ? its rooted in the culture that the one biggest party will have sway on all others - or else, that's why no Arab leader was surprised when Iraq PM started to massacre the Sunni, or the Sunni in Syria on the Shia, it's how they work, what do you think a strong Arab dictator has do to to make ppl kiss his picture twice a day for decades?, oh yea....

 

And who supported the abolished Islamist scum monarchy again before?
Houthis live in Yemen only since 1990?

So what? Let me take a look and well ... many in the ME's population of whatever kingdom or republic tell this since how long again, including Saudis? Mmmh...

 

Nope.. Saudis don't chant death to Israel, or Iran or the US.. Never have.

The Houthis were a small tribe considered violent and backwards.

The idea of supporting a stable government was to bring education and healthcare in Yemen forward.. likewise manufacturing and their oil industry in the south. The al Houthis and Al Qaeda have destroyed all of that.

 

Ehm ... what happened again when in any of these country a democracy opposition raised or if somewhere were really democratic elections? mmmh ... What happened in Egypt again? Sure, Muslim Brothers are scum and country was divided, but do you really think that there was no influence of Washington behind the coup of Egypt military?

Also ... what happened again in Iran, keyword Mossadegh?

Fact is that democracy has only any chance in ME if Washington and Europe agrees for it, simply because all leading regimes are friends and allies of them. only exceptions are Iran and Syria and at least more or less Iraq too in moment. So any democracy demand against them has no chance ... and so the Arabs learned: Democracy and the core values like freedom of speech and all the others are only allowed to have too, if your local dictator is not friend of Washington

 

Operation Ajax was about oil revenue and set against the backdrop of the cold war. It was a complete screw up.

You seem to think the US has some magical power over the Arab Street.

 

Ehm ... because they have simply? The Suadi Forces are armed again with whom's weapons, please?

Operation Ajax was because Mossadegh was so silly to kick out the British American oil corporation after they refused in their impudent behavior to share wins out of oil business with the country where they extract oil. And because Mossadegh was social democrat, but no communist, the British American Oil Corp. had directly a nice ally in US and British secret services!
Result: The democratic elected President was kicked out by a coup backed by US and British and replaced by the bloody Shah regime ... where you will for sure deny now that they were so bloody, but under the Shah all was fine and cool, eh?

 

Anglo_Iranian oil company... BP.

Every other oil company was paying 50-50 ..That's all the Mosadeegh wanted. Nationalizing the oil company was a last resort.

The Saudis buy weapons from the US.. Iran smuggles Russian weapons to the al Houthis.

 

Yes after "BP" refused it... he nationalized them...
And no, the Iran is smuggling and arming the Houthis with their own weapons produced in Iran and which are copies of Russian models ... or do you think that for example the AK-47 rifles and RPG-7's are the original which are "made in Russia"?
But Saudis deliver US weapons to Yemen and use them against Houthis...

 

The missiles fired at Najran and Jizan are Russian missiles.

The Houthis overthrew the Yemeni government.

 

You saw the ppl in the street as well as I did, killing, raping, throwing ppl off rooftops, its not about supporting a specific political party, its about order that has to be maintained in a country in order to call it a country - for the same reason BTW the Palestinians are not able to create a country - for now.
No I dont think the US had anything to do with the coup, not the first and not the second.

We will never know what could have happened during his reign.

No, it's simply not in the culture, you seem to think there is a right and a wrong way to live, and Democracy makes right because it give all those freedoms and human rights etc', but its not the most important thing to some in the world, they see it a Western forced tool of control over them throu economics and immoral culture so they keep to the "old ways" to preserve their culture and perhaps even dominate one day, its not about smiles from the West, they dont all see you as a shinning beacon of light.

 

Well he certainly seems to enjoy the (what must be) - acrid taste of Washington Bullzh#t

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Syrian Christians are saying that if they could get rid of Assad, all Syrians would unite against ISIS.

 

So how much do you get Paid to post anti-Assad stuff? Seriously.... it's rediculous. EVERY DAY, post after post, thesis after thesis, you must spend HOURS with bashing that regime. So, how much? I'm genuinely curious.

And your source is "US officials," which is about the least credible you can get. They lie and lie and lie but somehow keep showing up as "sources."

I have a better idea. Instead of posting day after day, page after hundreds of pages. GO OVER TO SYRIA PHYSICALLY, and do something about it YOURSELF! There are people here who are sick and tired of intervention. And I DO NOT CARE about the accusations against any regime over there. All I know is if u wanna do something about him we should go into Saudi Arabia also.

Enough of the BS. The world's degenerates are not our problem. Period. Want it fixed? Go out and do something about it and stop flooding the forums.

 

They don't have to chant their hatreds in the streets if they teach their hatreds in the schools and media, certainly leading to 9/11.. The only difference is that Saudis have learned to be more discrete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Saudi_Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_textbook_controversy

 

I have been to Saudi schools and libraries. They don't teach hate. Wiki is not always a reliable source.

 

You sound upset.. Too bad.

 

I like how non-credible individuals pretend that giving up illegal activity and ceasing terrorism is a "concession".

iran is not a part of syria, its presence there is illegal, and its war crimes committed in syria horrendous, with ICC tribunals hopefully in its future.

The very existence of hezbollah and other terrorist proxies is illegal, and not bargaining chips in any sense.

If you think having them are in any way a means of "deterring US action" you are even more clueless than I thought; the US could wipe out hamas, hezbollah and the iranian military within 24 hours, if that. iran is going to be brought to heel, and that right soon.

 

The real political divisions always come down to the role of government. Everyone who engages in politics to expand the size, power and cost of government is on one end of the political spectrum. Those who engage politically to reduce the size, power and cost of government are on the other end. In the US the religious right is now usually found on the 'small limited government' side. Why would those who are convinced that their government is guided by God want to place any limits on it at all?

Islamic nations and Israel have been engaged in endless war for over 70 years.
War with no final unambiguous victory has been the model for Israel and the West since WW II. It is a model that encourages endless war.

Is it any wonder that the enemies of Israel and the West are convinced they will eventually win?

 

Then how about another source? https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/saudi-arabias-curriculum-intolerance

The Saudis probably don't even know they are being taught 'hatreds'. They think they're just learning the facts about other (inferior) people and their (false and evil) beliefs.

 

This is your conclusion and opinion at least, but backed by which facts?

Show me any democracy of any ME country aside Israel where a real democracy is given!
Show me any of the regimes in the ME -aside Iran- which is not backed in power by Washington or in case of Syria by Moscow and where any sort of opposition has any chance!

 

Freedom House? Didn't you know about their mission?

 

WTF does israel have to do with iran? What a total f--king load of garbage; because Venezuela is having issues gives iran an excuse to conduct terrorism? You are fortunate the rules prevent me from calling you what you deserve to be, and it isn't polite.

iran is not even a neighbor of israel, and the BS fig leaf of what israel is or is not doing has ABSOLUTELY no bearing or relevance to iran.

"So because Israel is doing A, we don't have to have elections or act as a civilized nation!" Could you be more pathetic?

Maybe iran next year can claim that sunspots are preventing it from having real elections.

 

Uh, how do you explain germany, japan and south korea?

Second, how does the US and EU magically stop these countries from forming a democracy? Do they invade the country? Did the US invade iran in 1953, or did they pay IRANIANS to remove a PM who was violation the iranian constitution? The US/EU cannot get people in these countries to do anything they do not already want to.

You make it seem like the US the entire 6 BBN-strong planet under its thumb and can simply make people do whatever they want, whenever they want.

As for arab muslim countries that are democratic but not an ally or slave of the US/EU, there is Tunisia, so it can happen.

 

Lots and lots of magical thinking on this board.

 

Not sure where you get your claims from, but they are not fact-based.

mossadegh wanted to screw the brits out despite them having invested a significant amount of money and manpower to help develop the iranian fields. I do not blame them for responding.

As for mossadegh, he tried to usurp the powers of the shah which was not legal, and he had no right to do so.

Third, mossadegh was showing signs of leaning towards the USSR, and given that this was the early part of the cold war, was not acceptable to the free world. Eisenhower was not going to allow another vassal state of russia to exist.

mossadegh was never elected as PM - he was appointed to that role by the shah. The majlis was elected as a body, not the PM.

As for the saudis, they are allowed to buy weapons from whomever they want.