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You only accept links from left wing web sites which support your beliefs? Why didn't you say so?

 

No, it's the one where the USA and the UK installed a new prime minister. The Shah became more active in the politics of his country over the next few decades.

No, it doesn't. Terrorism was a growing problem before the invasion of Iraq. Terrorist attacks did increase during the civil strife that followed, that's certainly true.

None worth a mention. How about 9/11?

Again, I'm waiting to see you tell me what awful crimes the US committed the Bin Laden and the boys to justify 9/11.

Try to keep it civil.

 

And under the Shah Iran began a period of modernization, which was soon destroyed once the Ayatollah Khomeini took office.

 

Problem with the Shah is that he didn't have a conciliatory bone in his body, nor was he good at planning for the future financially. It's instructive to look at the first actions taken by the Revolutionary government, they immediately started a program of de-Westernization. He needed to be understanding of the risk in a major cultural divide between elites and the populace, and he wasn't. If anything, he flaunted it. Not a recipe for stability.

Love 'em or hate 'em, the Saudis are masters of conciliation and subtle Westernization.

 

Flaws and all the Shah was leading Iran into the modern world, and there was peace. Soon after his death there was war with Iraq and domestic repression. Now we see their religious leaders threatening Israel and issuing fatwas against anyone who points out what a bunch of crazies these psychopaths are.

 

That was the risk he ran by heavily stratifying his society. Statesmen need to be more thoughtful.

If a better man had been Shah things might very different today.

 

And yet the whole of Europe with over twice the population and fifteen times more Muslims has less murders per year than the US.

 

Absolutely. But it could be that he was the best Iran had at the time, and when we compare him with other ME Leaders, outside Israel, he doesn't look so bad. The great Anwar Sadat was another Islamic leader who tried modernity but who paid the ultimate price.

 

Pew?

 

Are you including wars in this? Europeans often boast how peaceful they are when compared to Americans yet they are the home of Communism, Nazism, Fascism, two world wars and the cause of many, many millions of deaths. Now they're welcoming Islamofascists into their countries yet remain puzzled by the rise in murders and rapes. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10424/britain-jihadists

Were you educated in Europe, because this canard is as common as the Americans being responsible for 'The Troubles'.

 

Yep. Science is now 'Right Wing'. Be Proud!

 

Seems to me this is different. The trite justifications of Zionism, interventionism, discrimination, colonialism and such, dont explain the Islamic fundamentalist death wish. Muslim immigrants are welcomed, accommodated and catered to, but surveys show they reject this, they want jihad.

 

No, you quoted
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx#terror

Jesus, get a grip of your lies so it's easier for posters to track them.

 

How about IN Iraq, the point I was making?

 

Why would we talk about Iraq alone? If we're trying to assign blame to the US for Islamic extremism surely we need some earlier cause than the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

 

No, the left wing press is rubbish and just as pathetic as the right wing press.
I prefer neural sites that tell the truth rather than party political cow dung.

The political left all over the world are a set of fools, believing any old rubbish that creates unrealistic minimum wages or promises of no work for a lot of cash so don't try to lump me in with that load of idiots.
As for the thread, the terrorist pillocks that had things to do with these nasty crimes and, most importantly, taking those silly bugger as representing ALL Muslims is a load of old codswallop.
All Muslims did this just as much as ALL Americans are guilty of the crimes of the US government.
That stupid idea is the same one the terrorists use to justify attacks against civilians, and that means anyone spouting that balderdash is just as stupid as the terrorists.

 

A big one has to be the financing and training of Arab fanatics let out of arab jails and arriving from Saudi Arabia to fight in the Afghan/Russia/US war in preference to democratic minded Afghans even after they were repeatedly told what these people were like and asked to stop funding and training them. It seems the CIA wanted to bankrupt Russia and so wanted to keep them fighting for as long as possible. They knew that fanatics would carry on fighting where non fanatic Afghans would be willing to come to a resolution. These people became the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

 

Oh I see, they hate us because we gave them weapons to fight the Soviets. That does explain 9/11!

 

I didn't know you were discussing them hating you. I thought you were discussing the US's role in their creation.

 

In fact the poll was done by ICM, a reliable source like PEW, and only released on ROP.com - as well as other media. It was genuine. https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

 

Nope. Here is the post I first responded to:

This part in particular: "The terrorist groups rise to fame came about because Muslims were attacked, either by Israel or western nations, notably the US."

So I answered that these groups did not rise out of an American attack on their countries. blah blah blah here we are.

 

No good deed goes unpunished, someone said, and the French are another good example of that truism.

But helping the Afghan people against the Russian invaders is actually pointed out, often by Americans, as a reason to hate Americans!
Even the French wouldn't go that far. They find MacDonalds to be a good enough reason.

 

Easy - The invasion of Iraq set in motion a large scale terrorist upsurge and there's no way you can fudge the facts because they're so widely available.
Before the Iraq invasion there was no serious terrorism in that country. The US led invasion open up a playing field for them and that can't be disputed.

That, along with other mainly US led attacks is directly linked to the idiot who blew himself up in Manchester.
There's no attempt to justify the Manchester moron and his pals but the US and UK (and others) created the conditions that allowed these bloody fools to justify their murder.

 

But you quoted the religion of peace site that corrupted what Pew said (ROP lied).
Show me on the Pew site where it confirms your claim, not quoting a right wing set of idiots who make stuff up.

 

So link to it and quote the section that backs up your claim.
You can't because it doesn't.

Just admit you lied - it's easier.