19 dead from suspected suicide blast

True, you can't so you have to destroy their support and stop creating the conditions that allow them to thrive.
You might also note the ISIS leaders aren't religious fanatics, or if they are, they're religious fanatics who enjoy rape and fat sacks of cash from oil money.

Follow the cash and you'll see what the top deck of ISIS are really up to, same for the US politicians who create the conditions for ISIS to grow.

 

Not sure what happened there but I didn't say that.

 

TRUMP’S RAMADAN MESSAGE: Holiday Can Strengthen Muslims’ Resolve to Battle Terrorists’ ‘Perverted Ideology’

 

The leaders of ISIS are not religious. They use the insecurities of deeply unstable religious people to further the agenda of keeping power and money. 'You' have no reason to even try and reason with them if they are on the other side of the world - just leave them alone and they will soon be toppled by others who hope to take their place. No violent dictators last long as eventually more moderate people take over

 

Absolutely.
You see it on these forums.
We can each argue our own position endlessly and without pause or change in our position.

The argument will never end because we simply don't agree.
You can't talk me into agreeing with you out of superior smartness or moralness.
Because I disagree. And I can talk as much bollocks to rationalise my position as you can yours.

A fool seeks to reason with the unreasonable.
Some differences are irreconcilable.

 

To be fair, you can. And there is not so many real fanatics. Plenty of soldiers, who pledged themselves to not a worthy cause. And group of cunning individuals with political skill, who organize this army of terror. Do not forget - any organisation needs administration, and ISIS is no different.

Somebody finds and dispences supplies, acquires finances, controls recruiters, finds places for bases, hideouts and training camps, issues attacks and diversions. That can't be done by one man alone, and a group of people cannot be all insane - while they manage to do all that effectively enough for ISIS continuing to exist.

I do not know, who finances it, or what they trade for money and with whom - but I certainly can say, these people have their own politicians in the head of their organisation, people who think and act as politicians, and who can be pretty much negotiated and reasoned with - albeit I doubt anyone would do that openly. Too bad for the image of whatever politician would dare opening a negotiations with "religious fanatics".

 

Don't be so drammatic, opn forum people just usually have no strict need for agreement. They talk there to people who they likely to never meet outside the forum, and on top of that usually have their arguments ready beforehand. Still, these discussions give people, sometimes, very unexpected points of view, some facts they may have not known, and over all a better understanding of the situation.

And if we had something but our own satisfaction at stake - I am sure we would've managed to find compromises.

 

So it's not as secular as people say.

 

Still is bye bye being secular.

Nope. They got a socialist party in Germany. SPD

 

And yet you will routinely discuss things with people on the boards, and in life elsewhere, present them with all facts they do not know. Give them a better understanding and still they will hold to their same old position.
Those people exist. Those who are unshakable in their beliefs or unshakable in their distrust of you.

Not everyone can be persuaded. Not everyone is willing to be. And not everyone is able to. In a position to be.
Some people are unreasonable. And if you try and reason with them, you are a fool.

 

The Democrats war against the Republicans in the House of Representatives and Congress. They and the media are doing their best against the executive branch. Thank god the voters didn't vote Hillary in and now the Republicans may have a fighter on their side and turn the tide. The verdict is still out though.

 

Is it your contention that religion was not a factor in the thread title? If so you' may well be the only person in the world who would dare make that claim.

"19 dead from suspected suicide blast".

 

i TNHINK THE KEY WORD THERE IS 'SOCIAL

The key word there is 'socialized', which is why it was inserted as a qualifier..

 

No, it will not. Muslims are out to win, they say so, and are killing innocent people all over the world to do so, including other Muslims. They see the big picture while you're looking through the wrong end of the binoculars..

It's hard to know if people like yourself actually don't know this or are a genuine part of the problem.

 

The first post formation of Israel terrorist attacks against the US of Arse were carried out after the IS started to seriously support that bastard country.
All previous attacks against the IS were carried out by your own right wing, some communists and people from other countries you attacked.
The same applies to the UK, the vast majority of attacks being carried out by the US funded IRA.

 

Do you have any proof the US funded the IRA? Some people are of the opinion that Islamic terrorists think the same way as western people do. This is wrong IMO. They want the world converted or dead. It is pretty simple.

 

It is much broader that that. Charges of Islamophobia, the possible 'backlash' against Muslims following each terror attack, the continued assertion that 'not all Muslims are terrorists', the rampant ignorance among students demonstrated by the riots they hold against the idea of free speech and differing points of view, are just a small example of the way these propaganda wars, aka, Political Correctness, are being won..

In fact the only ways wars can be won against the democracies now is through notions like Political Correctness and the mob attacks on those individuals who don't follow the 'Group Think'. Calling them 'deplorables', is a small example. Islamists, the and their friends on the Left, are also doing a great job of 'divide and conquer' as we see traditional friends in the democracies turn on each other with schoolyards taunts and hand-me-down propaganda from the Cold War..

Propaganda properly done is a greater force than nuclear weapons. Previously rational people can support Fascism, Nazism, Communism, etc. while many of those under attack believe these movements to be some benign group who only want justice, peace and fairness in this world. Millions often die as a consequence of this two-sided ignorance..

 

They don;t need proof. The chargeas are enough.

Many IRA sympathizers, or innocents, strolled through bars in the States, Canada, Australia, etc, wanting donations for the women and children harmed by 'The Troubles' and donations were given in a spirit of goodwill. This is still being used by the left as anti American propganada and when it is used we can quickly understand the motives, or ignorance, behind it.

They should keep in mind that after decades of "The Troubles' it was an American who helped negotiated an end to it all.

 

Where did you learn all of this?

 

Are you seriously trying to deny the US funded that terrorist group?
Noraid got massive funding that paid for IRA guns and bombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID

 

I spent time studying.
You can get a basic clue by googling a list of terrorist attacks in the US.

 

I'll do that. In the meanwhile you can explain why Muslims just carried out the killings of Christian women and children, in Egypt. Do you suspect US involvement there? http://www.france24.com/en/20170526-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-south-cairo-egypt

 

Are you seriously blaming the whole country for this? If an American Muslim donates to Isis does that mean America supports Isis? It seems you just hate Americans.

 

They're idiot extremists who I hope will will be dead soon if they aren't already, that goes for their stupid pals.
Egypt's government, all Muslims, has ordered the terrorist group be wiped out.
Seems reasonable.

 

No, but you blame all Muslims for terrorist attacks carried out by a tiny minority so it would be reasonable to blame all Americans if I were to use your logic.