19 dead from suspected suicide blast

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There have been several surveys along these lines and it's interesting that they frequently say, for example, that 80% of Muslims are against terrorism rather than saying 20% are for it.

    This is an exception. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

    There are many who take an optimistic attitude that most Muslims mean no harm to non-Muslims, which may well be true, but the number of Muslims who do support terrorism, suicide bombings, etc. still numbers in the many millions. It is not 'Islamophobic' to point this out.
     
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    Seems things are worse in Europe:
    Well it's from a think tank in the Czech Republic, aren't Czechs supposed to all be a bunch of racists?
     
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    I believe the idea of debate is to make your points and offer evidence to prove them.
    Making a point and asking someone else to prove it suggests you are unable to back up your claim.
     
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    Not at all. The Iranian government are actively fighting ISIS.
    The illegal US invasion of Iraq was one of the biggest issues and the US training and arming ISIS was a large problem.
     
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    Another survey, this one seems reputable:
    The Dutch sociologist Ruud Koopmans who authored this survey (commissioned by the EU's Eurostat) commented:
     
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    What percentage of bible-thumping hard-core Christian fundamentalists do you think would strap on some dynamite to set themselves off at an abortionist?
     
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    We don't know how many Muslims there are in the US:
    This means there are about 300,000 Muslims in the US who advocate suicide bombings, how many Christian fundamentalists do you think share that view?
     
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    I agree, but I've already sent you a link that established the point I made. Pew is well respected and have done several international surveys on this subject.Therefore, instead of asking me much the same questions, why not read the link and learn for yourself? We could then agree on the facts and perhaps develop a debate from there re the possible consequences of those facts..
     
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    Illegal? Why wasn't anyone arrested? Will the leaders of all the Coalition countries stand trial?

    This seems to be some reflexive US bashing that has little to do with any facts.
     
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    No, the US never charges its war criminals and terrorists with anything.
     
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    Perhaps you could quote the appropriate part as I didn't notice anything that gave numbers of terrorists.
     
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    There's that old question of who you would rather meet in a midnight alleyway. Six Christians, six Jews or six Muslims? We can debate back and forth about some issues but the truth is often in people's natural instincts. We simply trust Jews and Christians far more than Muslims, and for good reason.
     
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    Then who broke which law? You may not remember that there were about 30 Coalition countries involved and they weren't all breaking the law.

    Can you be more specific?
    No. Just check out Pew research and Muslim attitudes. Plus Ultra also gave you some excellent leads.
     
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    Arab Muslims are the ONLY cause for other Arab Muslim's death
     
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    Indeed. What if they did?

     
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    Yep, nobody can deny that they sure do like bloodletting.
     
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    If you make a point and that's disputed it's up to you to prove it.
    I think you're a liar so prove me wrong.
     
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    The 1953 coup, I was talking about. No idea what coup you're thinking of.

    Really, the US invasion of Iraq explains Jihadist terrorism? I must have my dates mixed up, because 9/11 seems to have come before 2003.
     
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    No, Muslims of different ethnicities do plenty of killing each other, its not just the Arabs. Actually it's a religious war between Sunnis (the vast majority of Muslims) and Shiites (about 10% of the Muslims). According to most Sunnis the Shia are not Muslims. The difference is about a dispute over Mohamed's succession. Almost all Iranians are Shia, as are about half the Iraqis, in the rest of the Muslim world Shia are the minority and they don't intermarry so it's an ethnic thing too.

    The news recurringly reports of self-detonating jihadis in mosques and markets across the Muslim world, these are Sunni-Shia clashes and they don't always involve Arabs. The Arabs have this extreme Wahhabi doctrine, Egyptians are involved too with Salafism, both these trends are of ultra-fundamentalist Sunnis who seek this Caliphate and will attack other Sunnis deemed not devout enough.

    An interesting mess results in places like Syria where there are Sunnis and Shiites, Iran backing the insurgents who are Shia, Al Qaeda and daesh clashing with each other and both fighting the Shiites, plus assorted insurgents of different ethnicities and differing levels of fundamentalism.
     
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    Is that the one where the US of Arse installed a mass murdering puppet dictator?

    It explains terrorism in the region. There was none worth a mention before the idiot US liberated the country.
    9/11 was absolutely nothing to do with Iraq but it did have a lot to do with Saudi, the place Trump just sent a load of American jobs to.

    I thought I was discussing the topic with an educated adult but I seem to have made a mistake.
     
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    You'd better make it simple if you want the forum thickos to understand it.
    It's like Catholics and Protestants.
     
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    Or as Americans prefer to think of it, Republicans vs Protestants!
     
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    You quote a right wing website as evidence?
    Only idiots believe the crap they put out.
    Quote a real site or just admit you lied.
     
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    This bozo didn't explain anything excepty the usual drivel we've come to expect from Muslims. Nothing to do with the pile of crap calling itself Islam, but instead he focuses on "the hate campaign of The Sun, the Daily Mail and the Daily Express".

    It's always someone's else's fault for Islamic death and carnage. The Communists were the last great threat to world peace and were responsible for the deaths of millions of people but at least the Russians created great works of art in the form of books, paintings, the theater, etc. suggesting there was more to them than just killing opposition. The Germans were one of the most sophisticated people in the world and yet turned themselves to Nazism, the Italians with the great history of art and the Renaissance, became Fascists. So there is hope for people with an attachment to the arts because somewhere there is a soul..

    But what can we hope from Muslims who have contributed little to the the betterment of the world in the way of the music, literature, film, medicine, science, etc. Salman Rushdie wrote a book and muslim leaders tell their followers he should be killed!

    You refer those on this board to look to some clueless Muslim for an explanation of why Muslims murder innocent people and he says it the fault of the Sun Newspaper.

    Islam is the most pathetic religion in world history and its followers more similar to brain-dead zombies, with a similar dress code, rather than real living breathing human beings.

    I feel they understand this and that's why they kill. Their culture, and religion, is just third rate and they know it. It's well past time that the more intelligent people in this religion quietly ( given the threats of apostasy) disassociate themselves from this craziness called Islam..

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/if...penalty-for-apostasy-there-would-be-no-islam/
     

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