Well, well. Isn't that interesting? Suddenly the British are starting to debate the possibility they've gone to far and maybe it's time to start thinking about letting their people be armed. That's a fascinating development, isn't it? http://tribunist.com/news/following...ts-want-their-gun-rights-back/?utm_source=CDH After the most recent terror attack in the London Bridge area that left eight people dead and nearly 50 more injured, British activists are calling for looser gun laws. Advocacy groups are saying the British government has left citizens vulnerable by maintaining a restrictive stance on firearms ownership, especially in light of the recent events. As reported by Vocativ, Dave Ewing, a representative from Firearms-UK, a gun ownership advocacy group, said, “These tragedies may have been the eye opener to just how ineffective our laws are.” Advocacy groups including Firearms-UK, Arm UK Citizens, England Wants Its Guns Back, and Legalise Guns in the UK, have taken to social media to make their perspectives heard regarding the strict legislation surrounding gun ownership in the UK and accusing the government of leaving citizens exposed to threats though the restrictions. In a Facebook post after the London Bridge terror attack, Firearms-UK spoke regarding the fact that politicians have access to “24 hour armed body guards” while maintaining the “lie that firearms are not suitable for personal protection.” Britain has some of the most restrictive gun laws in all of Europe. Assault rifles and handguns were banned after a 1996 school shooting that killed 15 children and a teacher. Additionally, background checks for other firearms were also heightened in response to the tragedy. Illegal gun ownership in the UK is fairly low since the country does not have physical borders with any other nations. Most British gun rights advocacy groups are asking that current laws be reformed to allow the use of firearms for self-defense while still allowing the government to maintain strict oversight regarding gun ownership, background checks, and mandatory weapons training requirements. Unlike in the US, gun ownership in the UK is not protected by anything similar to the Second Amendment. Discussing the difference in how Americans and Britons are instructed to respond to incidences, Firearms-UK posted on Facebook saying, “In the US you are advised to Run, hide FIGHT if you are attacked. In the UK it is run, hide, tell and this shows just how the authorities care so little for us. We are not running from school bullys, we are not all able to run or hide and might not have time to tell [sic]” The above post was in response to British authorities instructing people in the area of the London Bridge terror attack to run, hide, and then call authorities. Additional social media posts supporting the expansion of gun rights for UK citizens were also created by Americans, including on that said, “Ya’ll have what it takes, in admirable quantity, to prevail against these fanatics. Your government merely needs to stop throttling it to death.”
The United States is a far larger nation, with a lot more diverse of a population and different issues... and those 8 deaths were all in a single incident. The majority of those killed in the U.S. every year in criminal violence are criminals themselves. Many of those truly innocent citizens would probably not die if they had the means and the mindset to defend themselves.
You're of a bit. -2011- -2012 - -2013- -2014- -2015 12,795 12,888 12,253 12,270 13,455 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2011-2015.xls
We are five time larger and our murder late is about 4 per 100,000 while in the UK it is 1 per 100,000 among whites and in US white states it is 2.5 per 100,000. No matter how you cut it our murder rate is much higher.
In all categories. This includes methods other than guns. Again, the cultural issues are of greater import than the simplistic and myopic focus on guns.
Our murder rate is so because of the disproportionately huge number of murders commuted by blacks. If they committed murder at the same rate as whites, our rate would, as you said, drop to 2.5/100k or so.
United Kingdom See also: Gun politics in the United Kingdom and Culture of the United Kingdom The U.K. gun culture is represented by shooting sports.[5] Clay-pigeon shooting is one of the more popular sports. Firearms are very popular predominantly among the rural communities. However outside of the rural areas, the society is overwhelmingly anti-gun, and many anti-gun advocates come from Britain. The use of firearms for self-defence, even among leaders of the sport-shooting community is generally frowned upon with the exception of Northern Ireland, where guns are legal for self-defence. Even the use of firearms by local police officers is frowned upon; police officers in the country are not typically equipped with firearms, only special units of law enforcement do so. The main sport-shooting organization in the United Kingdom is the National Rifle Association (not to be confused for, and is not in any way, related to the American organization of the same name).
Even the Czech republic is recognizing such. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...shoot-them-yourselves/?utm_term=.129f2ccffaf6
Yes, however keep in mind that European countries don't just have white people, they also have all those Muslims flooding in. And yet they average a murder rate of 1 per 100,000. Some of their countries, usually the whitest ones have a murder rate of .5 per 100,000. This is still much lower than the white murder rate of 2.5 per 100,000. But this is an indication that we should be addressing the low incomes, high crime, and bad culture in our hispanic and black minority groups. We should mainly be getting our immigration from Europe and Eastern Asia not Latin America, Africa, or the Middle East.
Too late with the breaking news report: England originated the first NRA, before America began the American version. The revelation that U.K. NRA is independent of the American organization is not News at all and was gratuitously presented in a somewhat insulting tone. U.K. N.R.A. to their shame rolled over and played dead rather than fight to protect peoples Gun Rights. I am glad we have nothing to do with their sorry excuse for a do little to nothing advocasy group.
That is assuming the data you are following is indeed an accurate reflection of the facts as they occurred, rather than being filtered through whatever processes are used to adjust what actually occurs.
And this matters how ? Let it be as it is. When Criminals rule life in England and the U.K. it will be their own look out. They will needs drink their own bitter beer they brewed themselves........
They will do what they have done elsewhere with the ruse of securing public safety and order and increase the assault on the civil rights of 'subjects'. It is a government that has institutionalized mistrust of it's populace and that mistrust will become more oppressive as May has already signaled by increasing their domestic surveillance. https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23...ance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...owers-to-be-unveiled-by-Theresa-May-live.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ternet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html There is an invasion that is proceeding and the U.K. Is staged to suppress it's subjects in what will be an unsuccessful strategy in retaining any liberties remaining to stop it.
I still would not make any predictions. There is zero accurate reporting in British media in these and many other matters.
Murder rate among caucasians in the US is 1.5 per 100k, which is roughly the same as Canada. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
Funny how murder rates so often confuse people. Murderers commit murders at rates in accordance to how many murderers exist in population, it matters not how many firearms exist or if no firearms exist, as murder remains unaffected except the detterent factor to murder is an armed populace willing to preserve life and liberty. A disarmed populace is a victimized populace.
