Where in the Constitution does it say the Fed gov should provide health care.

It's called the Constitution. If you think we should just burn it and be done with it so be it.

 

Yet the Constitution explicitly authorizes the Federal Government build roads so I don't know what you are trying to prove using road building. It is a CONSTITUTIONALLY AUTHORIZED EXPENDITURE OF FEDERAL FUNDS FOR WHICH THE CONGRESS CAN PASS TAXES.

 

Perhaps if the Constitution authorized it and it didn't, but since it does not. Your argument breaks down to whether we call the branch that is dedicated to flying and Army or a Navy or an Air Force, as I said utter folly.

 

I figured would not not understand; you did not disappoint.
Insurance insulates the consumer from the true cost of that they consume.
Thus, insurance is the problem, and why those costs are so high.

 

no, they are defending south korea

no, they are defending missile silos.

no, Afghanistan has no capability to attack the US.

no

Nothing you listed presents a danger to US citizens, in the US. None of them have the capability to attack the US. Russia is an allie.

And EVERYONE would be covered by single payer.

yes, as I just proved myself with the postman.

 

Nothing you have said here makes roads and national defense any less of a *general* welfare.

What national benefit does it provide? And what difference is it to you what a rich man can afford? If you are jealous or envious of rich people that is *YOUR* problem to deal with. It is not an excuse to drag everyone down into shared misery!

No attempt to nationalize healthcare? Then what you *YOU* doing here in this thread?

The state and local governments *were* fulfilling their responsibilities for education till the federal government established the Dept of Education. The state and local governments educated a generation that took us to the moon and back. That could never happen today after the Dept of Ed has screwed up our education system so badly.

Two thirds of federal government spending today is in the form of welfare spending! Some estimates show that by 2030 welfare spening will crowd out everything except national defense. What is the CDC going to do then? State Medicaid funding is already severely impacting the ability to properly fund education. States like IL and CT and CA are going broke.trying to fund it all!

How much more do you want to spend?

Oh, MALARKY!

I was just at Wendy's a few days ago. The registers went down while some customers were waiting for change back. Not a single one of the cashiers could count change, NOT ONE! The customers had to tell them how much change they were supposed to get back!

At my middle school we had to teach new janitors HOW TO MOP THE FLOOR! Pete forbid one of them would get hold of a mechanical stripper or waxer!

And YES, businesses *can* do without employees that do not produce what it costs to hire them.*I* have had the unenviable task of firing a number of those kinds of employees during my career.

That's life. Learn it, love it, LIVE IT!

 

Because they choose to purchase all or part of the 2080 hours that a person has to provide for labor during the year and/or all or part of the roughly 93,600 hours that the person has to provide for labor in their lifetime.

The living expenses of the person to support their household both annually and for their lifetime are limited and every employer that wants to purchase a part of this time is responsible for their share of the annual and lifetime expenditures of the person. If they choose to purchase less than the entire amount of time they're also responsible for a surcharge in addition to the projected expenditures (i.e. they lose the bulk discount rate) to cover for time and income lost between jobs.

 

THAT'S your answer?
LOL
OK. Thanks. I expected something meaningful. My bad.

 

I guess you simply don't have enough knowledge to understand what a "trip force" is, do you? Why are you even here discussing the issue?

Missile silos providing for our national defense!

3000 people in the ashes of the World Trade Center would argue this with you!

The *ONLY* thing keeping Russia from annexing Ukraine is our military presence. Do you have even the slightest knowledge of what "projecting force" means?

Then why all the hoopla about *US* putting troops in Ukraine and other Eastern Europe nations?

INDIVIDUALLY!

You don't even understand what a postman carries, do you?

 

NO ONE IS OWED A LIVING WAGE.

Have *YOU* hired a maid for a living wage on a 2080 hour annual basis? Why not? Doesn't a maid deserve a living wage? Aren't you concerned you aren't doing your part to support all maids?

 

no, it is not a commodity and it doesn't follow supply/demand. You have no choice as a consumer where the ambulance is going to take you when you are in a car accident. You have no ability to shop around or price compare.

I'm not a Bernie supporter.

No, they are inferior. You are charged a higher premium for instance, if you have a volunteer/private fire department, vs a pubic one.

no it isn't.

 

no, when the citizenry gets sick.

 

Exactly correct.
If you don't make enough to support the lifestyle you think you deserve - get another job.

 

No that is not what the Tax and Spend Clause addresses.

 

I'm discussing it to correct you.

from who?

Afghanistan didn't attack the US on 9/11.

is the Ukraine part of the US? nope. We aren't "defending" the US there.

money

just like the post man bringing everyones INDIVIDUAL mail.

you don't understand what single payer covers, do you?

 

no, that is what the general welfare addresses

 

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Of course it did, it was a Progressive Socialist Democrat Leftist Supreme Court packed by FDR.

 

2080?
Where'd you get that number?
Oh wait... you assume everyone is limited to a 5 day / 40 hour work week?
Or are people entitled to said work week?
Do you include 2 weeks paid vacation, with that?

If you make $8.25/hr and whine about not having enough money, why don't you work 60hrs/week and rake in that OT?

Your assumptions in your response are baseless; your response, built on those assumptions, is necessarily unsound.

 

So you are saying that you have a right to live so long as your living doesn't burden somebody else?

The right to healthcare is a human right. Just like the right to live. If a homeless person falls in a river, rescuers will save their life regardless of whom it burdens. If that same homeless person goes to a doctor for a medical checkup, he has the right to be declared healthy or sick. Denying that healthcare is a human right, and that the U.S. is a violator, will not make it less so.

Trying to hide your lack of rational arguments by making up your own definitions is very Orwellian. But won't win any debates for you. And certainly won't work in the real world. We all read "1984", you know

That's a pretty empty phrase. There are developed and underdeveloped countries in Europe each with very different types of governments, different laws, different types of healthcare systems. Not indicating what "normal unemployment" means, or what "much of Europe" is, is an attempt to hide how meaningless your statement is. Fact is that the U.S., whether with a 10% or a 4% unemployment, is the only developed nation in the world (and even lagging behind many underdeveloped nations) that doesn't offer healthcare to everybody. Despite the fact that we are the nation that spends more in healthcare by far. And that, even though spending less, those countries have had enormous success.

 

A national health army made up of government funded doctors and hospitals that any citizen could use free of charge (or at very little charge) would vastly improve the health of the nation, and thereby national defense by ensuring that the pool of military recruits is larger.

 

So we simply call the universal healthcare program the "National Health Army" and then it is constitutionally authorized, yes?

 

If yo don't know what a trip force is then how can you correct anything?

Does the acronym MADD mean anything to you at all?

*I* didn't say it did. *I* said: "The soldiers standing post in Afghanistan are not protecting us from Al Qaeda terrroists?"

*YOU* are putting words in my mouth. How many times have I told you to STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!"?

Was France part of the US in WWII? Italy? Sicily? GERMANY?

We had troops in all of those countries and more - DEFENDING THE US.

It isn't to stop the Russian Bear from expanding? You remind me so much of Neville Chamberlain it is uncanny. He didn't think Germany would expand into Western Europe either?

Do you know what an oxymoron is? The term "everyone's individual" mail is an oxymoron. It's either everyone's mail or its an individual's mail.

You seem to live in an alternate reality created by oxymorons!

It provides for individual health care.

 

ROFL!! Just how old are you?

You *certainly* have a choice of where an ambulance is going to take you if you are lucid enough to make the choice. Otherwise the EMT's will take you to the closest appropriate hospital. It's *YOUR* responsibility to have researched the choices ahead of time!

He is only speaking what the entire Marxist Democrat part is speaking. If nationalized health insurance is not meant to equalize outcomes then what use is it?

Now you are making up strawman arguments again! Who said subscription fire departments are volunteer? The voices in your head?

Of course it is. It is the very definition of Socialism. Government ownership of business.

 

they provide FBI, CIA, interstates, the list goes on

 

Exactly...