14 million Russians don't have enough money, even for food.

Tsk, tsk, this is so 75 years ago, lucky for USA those two russki chaps got to argue over which one of them gets to keep the eagle as a souvenir!

 

Russian sources are not worse than any Ukranian sources. But non-Ukranian may mean, for example, UK or Germany sources. Or maybe Belorussian, if you can't read German.

 

you have never been to Russia, never lived here, and still you pass judgement... those numbers should have given you a hint it isn't that simple as you imagine. Russia economy in most part is in grey sector, which means people don't declare their entire income... take for example myself - i run a small business completely illegally, without paying taxes whatsoever, and the State has no idea about this... hence the stats number you cited above.

 

I think soon I'll be invited to Moscow by Kremlin for special sort of meetings in which we'll be discussing how Turks can help Russia be a superpower once again while teaming up with Türkiye at all UN involved disputes Turks have been having with their neighbors... ALL NEIGHBORS!

 

In the same boat, perhaps; worse? Dunno. Most Muscovites own places they live in - did you know that? So, they need lots less money for food and clothing.

Oh, and there's something else :

45 Million Americans Still Stuck Below Poverty Line: Census

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/poverty-household-income_n_5828974.html

 

Uhhhh, yeah, tell me something I don't already know? Most muscovites own their places? Define "most"?

 

You Turks helping russki be "superpower"? LOL.That's like bailing water from the sinking Titanic with a coffee cup)), turkey in Nato there Boudreau, you need us to protect you from the moskals!

 

In the 90's during "perestroika", ALL Moscow residents who lived in Moscow apartments for so many years, were given an opportunity to privatize the apartments they lived in. There was a corruption galore, a lot of Muscovites were coerced into selling cheap, or otherwise giving up their appartments for peanuts. Still, a vast majority of Muscovites successfully privatized their appartments, and now live in them, rent free.

Today, the cost of an average Moscow apartment is $100k- $125k, which makes Muscovites anything but poor.

 

Russia is one of the most unequal societies in the world, even worse than India and Thailand, where the top 1 per cent own nearly 60 per cent of the wealth.
74.5% of Russia's wealth owned by top 1%

 

North Korea has a similar problem.

But I have never heard of Euromaidanpress so it does not strike me as having CIA or MI-6 reliability.

 

It's not Russia-bashing to question why their economy is not in the top ten.

 

Ukraine has to be split apart

 

Same as for Russia. Spoken like a muscovite, from kharkiv, living in Toronto, looking for a better life are we?

 

These kind of threads are lame IMO

The US/Russia/France/UK/Germany/Ukraine/etc ..... is a horrible place because (fill in the blank)

 

sure, The best option is the simultaneous fragmentation both- Ukraine and Russia .-In this case Sloboda(Slobodzanschina)which was torn by the Bolsheviks will be reunited.
ps Kharkov not Kharkiv

 

Kharkiv, lviv, kyiv, etc, moskali nemah.

 

no, it's a dirty ukroslang. see Oxword dict. for inst.

 

Judgement? I've posted figures based on official Russian statistics and referred to a Russian minister. I didn't post anything like "Evil Putin sitting in his golden palace wasting money for Olympia, soccer events and military while his people live in poverty", that would have been judging. I have just expressed my amazement that after a period with very high commodity prices the ordinary Russians don't have more money.

 

Sharik does not beleive in officially published data. He thinks that most Russian people get salaries in the envelopes and avoid taxes, which is certainly not true. This is a known problem in Russia that the minimum salary is less than amount of money necessary to sustain basic living level.

 

those numbers you posted are out of touch with reality, this should have been clear to you as you read the report, but still you posted them on here as some gospel truth, as if you don't know the stats being incorrect and incomplete whilst most of the country is grey economy where most people conceal their actual income.

don't worry, the country is doing well, oil price or not, so you might save your crocodile tears for someone else.

 

it is true, and i know many people who work like that, myself included; and if you say this is 'certainly not true' then you either are lying or have never been to the place and never worked here.

no, it can't be a problem, since no one forces you to work for minimum wage; besides you would not be able to hire anyone to work for that money; so actual salaries here are of course higher than the minimum wage, unless its a part time job; and you should have known this, why sham naivety?

 

The fact that you get money in the envelope does not mean that all people work like this. All people who work in schools, universities, hospitals, and other government institutes get salary fully taxed. And they are the majority, and not people like you. Also people in the big companies get white salary. Impression, that you still live in 90s.And all those who avoid taxes are the cancer for the society as they use the benefits like free health care, free education for kids at schools, etc... and yet pay nothing to sustain those who work there.
And about the salary-yes, it is a problem. Because in periphery where it is difficult to find a job they pay people as they want- based on the minimum salary,which should in fact correspond to the living standard and not be less.

 

No dirtier than russian.

 

not all, but most of them; i get that idea from my own experience and that of my buddies'.

so in order to avoid taxation they declare themselves as minimum wage workers, while the rest of their actual salary is passed to them under the table in a form of letter envelopes.

folks in 'big' companies get payoffs 'big' enough to not care about taxation, as you might guess.

even earlier, think of Soviet times, and their not yet gone, thankfully.

where did you get that wording from? the mass media? yet another crusade? another witch hunt? so easily led are you?

i never abuse my entitlements, i pay where need things done faster and only allow myself get it for free where the quality of service is highest.

those who live in province can leave for towns and cities whenever need higher wages, see no problem here.

 

The oligarchs stole all of the state owned industries after the fall to line there own pockets


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