BEHIND THE BLOODSHED: AMERICA’S MASS KILLINGS:

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This is derailing. We know you are a gun banner and I support your right to have this opinion.

But back to the thread. To suggest that the problem of mass killings in this country can not include in any way gun control is simply ridiculous. I agree that the solution requires a comprehensive approach but certainly gun control should be part of that package.

 

That matter aside, the rest of the article is quite informative. Now when an individual talks about how mass killings did not happen in revolutionary times with muskets, the article can be cited to show the mass killings were committing with setting homes on fire instead.

 

a gun banner like you calling me a gun banner is derailing. pure and simple

 

Mass shootings is the topic of the thread. They are a disgrace to this country and we need effective gun control to deal with it

 

well we know background checks won't stop them since gun banners claim that most mass shootings are perpetrated by people who bought the guns though a background check. Registration won't stop them either

so you must be advocating gun bans

 

No. Gun bans is something you support. I do not. I think your position violates the second amendment.

I support reasonable gun control to reduce mass shooting and other gun violence

 

Nah. He's just trolling you.

 

he does it on two boards. the lies are obvious and it demonstrates a complete lack of a valid argument. what is really amusing is watching people who troll, bait, and ridicule pro gun owners and pro gun advocates and then claim that their desires for harassing legislation is not to bait or harass gun owners but to make the public safer

clue to gun banners-you aren't convincing claiming your desire for more gun laws is based on valid reasons when you spend so much time baiting and harassing gun owners

 

Gun control has always been about reducing the massive bloodshed of gun violence. It always has been and always will be.

 

This board has a 'report' and an 'ignore' function.
Surely, with several bans under his belt, he knows the effect of the former.

 

I suppose debating gun control is too much to ask. LOL

 

And yet it is known for a fact that public safety is indeed not the most important thing. If such were the case, there would be massive public support for violent individuals to never be allowed back into society where they can pose the greatest threat. Instead they would be confined for the duration of their lifetimes, ensuring that they cannot hurt anyone except for themselves, and each other. Yet whenever these proposals are brought up, the most common reason for dismissal is that it is far too expensive of a solution, thus suggesting it is more cost effective to simply continue releasing violent criminal and allowing them to murder at their discretion.

What this means is that money is the most important thing, far more valuable than public safety. What his means is that human life does indeed have a price.

 

Then name exactly what measures would achieve such. Do not be vague, be specific.

Then why is every piece of proposed legislation drafted in such an ineffective, intellectually lacking manner, even when it is first presented? This cannot even be blamed on the republican party doing something to the legislation, these intellectual and practical shortcomings exist in the first draft. There are so many numerous failures in the intellectual thought process, no proposal can work as it is presented when it must exist outside of a vacuum.

 

Excessive use of alcohol or driving under it's influence should be included.

 

I have reported the nonsense several times-such as the blatant lies that I am a gun banner or the even bigger lie that I want to -for racist reasons-disarm blacks. But his posts serve a useful purpose. HE claims he is not a gun banner and he claims his only goal for pushing laws that ONLY restrict the actions of honest American gun owners is to "make us safe" or prevent crime. This nonsense is belied by the constant baiting attacks on gun owners and pro gun posts. such an attitude clearly demonstrates a frantic and profound hatred with the pro gun culture and those who support gun rights.

 

Everything has a price. Gun control is generally cheap and it can save lives. I say we go for that

 

its cheap to you because you want honest gun owners to pay the price for feel good idiocy that only helps criminals. But then again, no one believes that those who push gun control are really motivated to stop criminals.

 

Relax....its a form

 

ah that lie again

but you always praise european and japanese laws-guess what-they don't have requirements that private citizens conduct background checks because most of them BAN guns and certainly BAN private citizens selling guns to other citizens SO you obviously want MORE than a mere form-a form that has no hope of decreasing violent crime. You are on record as wanting registration, gun bans and more. And when you post crap like "relax-its just a form" and we know you are being dishonest in what you are proposing, we reject your views as being disingenuous

 

What is the round dollar cost of a human life? Is it more or less than the cost of a life sentence for a convicted murderer?

It has also been proven as an absolute failure. There has not been so much as a single instance, of a single life saved, through the existence of any firearm-related restrictions. What has been proven, however, is that the criminal element has no problem with violating the laws, and the justice system has no interest in enforcing the laws, thus rendering them not only useless, but worthless

Such has been attempted thousands upon thousands of times in the united states, and such has been proven to be a waste of time in each and every example. The time for attempting more of the same has long since passed. Prosecutors and judges are not interested in firearm-related charges, thus rendering them worthless to even discuss. It is time for a new approach to be fielded. Speaking form a logical, rational perspective, it is time to turn focus onto the perpetrators rather than their selected implements. If someone commits various firearm-related offenses, uses a firearm in the furtherance of another crime, they must be removed from the equation entirely. Either confine them for the duration of their lifetimes, or euthanize them like any other violent, potentially rabid animal. They cannot be reformed anymore than a cancerous tumor can be reformed. Treat these individuals as a physician would cancer, and eventually the problem will be solved. Eventually there will be no more individuals left to harm others, and firearm-related restrictions will no longer be necessary.

What must not only be understood, but also accepted, is the fact that not every life is worth saving. It is an absolute necessity to end some lives, in order to save and preserve others.

 

Ask Trump why he is too cheap to enforce federal law. This is ALL ON HIM NOW

 

Give some examples of this supposed absence of enforcement of federal law, then it will be addressed. Until then it is irrelevant to the discussion. Firearm-related restrictions have proven to be failures. It is time to go with a different approach.

 

Its is a federal crime lie on the BC form. THOUSANDS do every year and we have proof of it. Trump could arrest all those people tomorrow. Why won't he?

 

A fair question. Why did Barack Obama not do such during his time in office? Why did he turn a blind eye to the matter for eight continuous years?